There Is A Difference Between...
Fri Nov 2, 2018 12:10am things are supposed to work and how things actually work because of power dynamics. I certainly do get that.

I realize that things are not always done the way they should be done. We have yet to answer for the torture we systemically used in contravention of our law. We have yet to hold the responsible parties accountable. But that does not change the way things should be done.


  • Wherein the UN guidelines inform US policy...HeavyHemi, Thu Nov 1 11:07pm
    how they are implemented is up to the admin and there is quite wide latitude is the point. There's no reason do argue, the numerous court challenges with wins and losses make my point. We've also... more
    • There Is A Difference Between... — Amadeus, Fri Nov 2 12:10am
      • Was it in contravention of *our law?HeavyHemi, Fri Nov 2 12:49am
        As far as I know, no legal authority in the the US made that determination regarding torture. And we're conflating things. The Geneva Convention isn't the same topic in regards to immigration. I'm... more
        • No, I Figured You Were Aware...Amadeus, Fri Nov 2 8:27am
          ...based on your post. I was agreeing. I think it's similar in that we've signed onto treaties regarding torture, as well. Amadeus
        • was legal to use torture techniques under the guise that the "enhanced interrogations" weren't technically torture and involved detainees NOT covered under the Geneva Convention.... more
          • A Backhanded Acknowledgement...Amadeus, Fri Nov 2 7:02pm
            ...of the obligations we had - you know, lip service to carefully observing them and toeing the line, but meanwhile, we're doing things that any simpleton understands are in violation of the... more
          • has decided that either way. So technically, it is still in legal limbo as far as the US law is concerned despite the Geneva convention saying otherwise.
            • I think there is U.S. legislation...Sia☺giah, Sat Nov 3 12:28am
              • There is and there was legislation before.HeavyHemi, Sat Nov 3 2:26am
                Until it's tested at the USSC and certain techniques codified a torture. There's quite a few in the GOP that would like to reverse this.
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