Racism certainly plays a role in SOME cases...
Thu Feb 7, 2019 1:59pm

but in the cases described, the GUN was the primary cause of the shooting...

Because the police didn't shoot the first black man in the mall that they saw. They only shot the one with a gun.

  • Obviously you do not want to recognize....wondering, Thu Feb 7 10:39am
    the fact that racism often plays a role. No surprise there.
    • Racism certainly plays a role in SOME cases... — Sprout, Thu Feb 7 1:59pm
      • True enoughwondering, Thu Feb 7 6:19pm
        in that one case... the gun and the fact that the shooter was black (not sure if they knew that at the time or not) was the primary cause for the shooting of the innocent guy who was trying to help.... more
        • As well as in the other case...Sprout, Fri Feb 8 9:22am
          The private security guard who was also shot for having a gun in his hand while trying to handle the ACTUAL threat. Yes, it is critical for ANYONE armed to be careful when dealing with police. The... more
          • What you seem to be missing....wondering, Fri Feb 8 9:44am
            is that the presence of a firearm in active shooter situations IS a threat, especially when the police don't know who the actual shooter is when they enter the scene. It doesn't matter how much... more
            • because while it COULD be a threat, it ALSO COULD be carried by a plainclothes police officer, an off duty police officer, a federal agent, or even a law abiding licensed civilian. NONE of which... more
              • as a citizen who carries a firearm. I can certainly understand that you would like for the police to be more careful before they shoot someone who has a firearm whether it is in an active shooter... more
                • I do see it through my own perspective being that I have BEEN on both sides of the gun. I have been both the unarmed civilian AND the guy carrying a gun both as a civilian and as a member of the... more
                  • Apples to Oranges....wondering, Fri Feb 8 6:48pm
                    How many times did you as a soldier have to go into a situation where there were active shooters? Probably not that often. There may be some similarities, though. Both police and soldiers typically... more
                    • I don't think it is...Sprout, Sun Feb 10 4:49pm
                      How many times do officers go into active shooter situations (since you seem to want to limit discussion to them)? Probably not that often. Both police and soldiers typically wear uniforms. Both are... more
    • are racist. I'm, pretty sure he believes racism, is a myth for the most part. Probably because of his limited experience and environment.
      • Gender based affirmative action is not racist... Do you even think before you post?
        • Why would I argue gender discrimination is racism?HeavyHemi**, Fri Feb 8 2:50pm
          Your knee jerk silliness kinda confirmed something for us Spout. And thank you for confirming that you believe all forms of affirmative action that used any component of race as a factor are wrong.... more
          • You made a claim about MY position onSprout, Fri Feb 8 3:19pm
            ALL affirmative action... A claim that was so oversimplified as to be stupid.
            • Here's another question that will tie you up: do you believe all forms of affirmative action based on GENDER are wrong? Yes or no? Do you have the same standard for gender as you do for race?
              • was racist... that is not true. Only race based affirmative action is racist.... it is so by definition... Now, whether it is GOOD or BAD is a separate argument entirely. I have the same standards... more
                • So only race based to you is bad...HeavyHemi, Fri Feb 8 6:57pm
                  "A black kid from a poor family in the poorest part of the ghetto probably needs more help than a white kid from a well to do family in the suburbs." (this is why folks snicker at you and roll their... more
                  • He was saying that Affirmative Action shouldn't be based on RACE, but on actual ECONOMIC NEED. SPROUT: "I have the same standards should apply for all human beings. Now, I do see value in assisting... more
                    • No, I got that.HeavyHemi, Fri Feb 8 11:53pm
                      I know he says that. And I also know that he will not recognize the disadvantage that are based on race. That is my point. He wants to remove it from consideration. He believes there no inherent... more
                      • minorities have faces major disadvantages over the years and that there still are some distinct disadvantages that exist, especially in urban situations. Plus the situation where young, black men... more
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