SES
As I've pointed out seveeral times, that's just not correct.
Mon Mar 4, 2019 10:24am
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Amadeus: "I would wager that the Federalist Papers offer no argument about the prosecution and indictment of the President for two reasons."

That's incorrect.

In TWO PLACES, the Federalist Papers say that a President would be subject to common law AFTER impeachment:

Federalist #65) "The punishment which may be the consequence of conviction upon impeachment, is not to terminate the chastisement of the offender.
After having been sentenced to a prepetual ostracism from the esteem and confidence, and honors and emoluments of his country, he will still be
liable to prosecution and punishment in the ordinary course of law."

Federalist #69) "The President of the United States would be liable to be impeached, tried, and, upon conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors, removed from office; and would afterwards be liable to prosecution and punishment in the ordinary course of law."

  • Your Analysis Ignores...Amadeus, Mon Mar 4 9:56am
    ...a glaring hole. What if the President were indicted, but refused to leave office? What recourse would we have? The whole government could collapse! We need a way to remove a President from office, ... more
    • As I've pointed out seveeral times, that's just not correct. — SES, Mon Mar 4 10:24am
      • Thanks For The Correction...Amadeus, Mon Mar 4 11:25am
        The first reference (#65) actually uses "still be liable" which indicates a continuing state of vulnerability to prosecution. The second (#69) presupposes that impeachment would come first, and then... more
        • Ah, and there's the rub, as they say.SES, Mon Mar 4 11:36am
          I can point to what the Constitution actually says, and to the words of Alexander Hamilton, to support my position. The other position can only SPECULATE based on what is NOT in the Constitution, and ... more
          • Ironically...Amadeus, Mon Mar 4 11:46am
            ...you are not pointing to what the Constitution says. You are pointing to a blank spot. The Constitution does NOT say, for example: "The President must be impeached and removed from office before... more
            • with the diametrically opposed arguments of the experts... Some who believe impeachment MUST be first before indictment and others who believe the order is NOT spelled out specifically. In the end,... more
              • Nope. Not correct.SES, Mon Mar 4 12:11pm
                Sia: "Some who believe impeachment MUST be first before indictment and others who believe the order is NOT spelled out specifically ." The argument isn't that the order of impeachment-indictment... more
                • Ooooh, Don't Play Fast And Loose...Amadeus, Mon Mar 4 3:32pm
                  ...there with the words. We already went over that it was only ONE reference that was specific about the order. Amadeus
                  • It's in both #65 and #69. Your bad.SES, Mon Mar 4 3:42pm
                    The Federalist Papers : No. 65 - "After having been sentenced to a prepetual ostracism from the esteem and confidence, and honors and emoluments of his country, he will still be liable to prosecution ... more
                    • "Will Still Be" vs "Will Then Be"Amadeus, Mon Mar 4 4:01pm
                      Words have meaning. "Will still be" means that he already was "liable to prosecution and punishment in the ordinary course of law" but the state of being liable to such continued after impeachment... more
                • She's not wrong, some do believe that.HeavyHemi, Mon Mar 4 12:33pm
                  And again, you're making claims about you you concede IS NOT in the Constitution. The full circle is you sitting on your thumb, spinning around.
            • ...slam dunk to me is that in the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton was trying to assure Delegates that a President would not be immune to punishment and removal from office, as the British King... more
              • You Keep Repeating The Same Arguments...Amadeus, Mon Mar 4 3:34pm
                ...even after they've been countered. I don't see a reason to keep repeating the counterarguments. You can go back and reread them if you've forgotten them. Suffice it to say that you are no more... more
                • ...Hamilton DIDN'T Use "The President COULD BE indicted" to assure New York's Delegates that a President could be held to account for wrongdoing?
                  • Why Couldn't A President Be Indicted?Amadeus, Mon Mar 4 3:58pm
                    Why don't meteorologists tell us when it isn't going to rain orange juice? Amadeus
                    • ...what COULDN'T happen, as it is to expect a Weatherman to say "It isn't going to rain Orange Juice". It's as stupid to expect the Constitution, which contains VERY DETAILED INSTRUCTIONS on how a... more
                      • You're So Close...Amadeus, Mon Mar 4 10:16pm
                        Is the President a citizen? Yes. The President must be a citizen according to the Constitution. Are all citizens bound by the law? Yes, all citizens are bound by the law. Is the President, then,... more
                        • ...probably tell you to "P*ss off!" Since she thinks that "experts" "vehemently" and "enormously" disagree, you are not allowed to claim that you are correct... ...according to the Admin.
                          • Actually no she's not disagreeing with opinions.HeavyHemi, Tue Mar 5 12:31pm
                            Here again we can read the posts and see that you are in fast being dishonest about the content of them. You have in fact claimed quotes that were not made to make your arguments. That is dishonest... more
                      • Nope, this is complete nonsensiscal babbling.HeavyHemi, Mon Mar 4 5:35pm
                        I mean if you understood whether the Constitution is prescriptive or proscriptive. Or perhaps if you quit conflating the concepts in your *arguments' in mid stride... You're really quite inept.
              • Then you get even more silly by changing it to 'discussing facts' while using the word 'intent'. Do you have a dictionary?
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