Amadeus
Ironically...
Mon Mar 4, 2019 11:46am
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...you are not pointing to what the Constitution says.

You are pointing to a blank spot.

The Constitution does NOT say, for example:

"The President must be impeached and removed from office before the President may be indicted."

Someone arguing from the Constitution (and not, for example, from the Federalist Papers) might rationally conclude that impeachment was specifically mentioned because it involves removal from office, but no immunity from indictment or prosecution is mentioned (unlike the partial immunities granted to members of Congress, for example). This would form a strong argument based solely on the Constitution.


And then, there is a very clear difference between the following:

a) "would then be liable"

b) "would still be liable"

When you consider them next to each other like that, you realize that words have meaning, and precision brings you headaches.

Amadeus

  • Ah, and there's the rub, as they say.SES, Mon Mar 4 11:36am
    I can point to what the Constitution actually says, and to the words of Alexander Hamilton, to support my position. The other position can only SPECULATE based on what is NOT in the Constitution, and ... more
    • Ironically... — Amadeus, Mon Mar 4 11:46am
      • with the diametrically opposed arguments of the experts... Some who believe impeachment MUST be first before indictment and others who believe the order is NOT spelled out specifically. In the end,... more
        • Nope. Not correct.SES, Mon Mar 4 12:11pm
          Sia: "Some who believe impeachment MUST be first before indictment and others who believe the order is NOT spelled out specifically ." The argument isn't that the order of impeachment-indictment... more
          • Ooooh, Don't Play Fast And Loose...Amadeus, Mon Mar 4 3:32pm
            ...there with the words. We already went over that it was only ONE reference that was specific about the order. Amadeus
            • It's in both #65 and #69. Your bad.SES, Mon Mar 4 3:42pm
              The Federalist Papers : No. 65 - "After having been sentenced to a prepetual ostracism from the esteem and confidence, and honors and emoluments of his country, he will still be liable to prosecution ... more
              • "Will Still Be" vs "Will Then Be"Amadeus, Mon Mar 4 4:01pm
                Words have meaning. "Will still be" means that he already was "liable to prosecution and punishment in the ordinary course of law" but the state of being liable to such continued after impeachment... more
          • She's not wrong, some do believe that.HeavyHemi, Mon Mar 4 12:33pm
            And again, you're making claims about you you concede IS NOT in the Constitution. The full circle is you sitting on your thumb, spinning around.
      • ...slam dunk to me is that in the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton was trying to assure Delegates that a President would not be immune to punishment and removal from office, as the British King... more
        • You Keep Repeating The Same Arguments...Amadeus, Mon Mar 4 3:34pm
          ...even after they've been countered. I don't see a reason to keep repeating the counterarguments. You can go back and reread them if you've forgotten them. Suffice it to say that you are no more... more
          • ...Hamilton DIDN'T Use "The President COULD BE indicted" to assure New York's Delegates that a President could be held to account for wrongdoing?
            • Why Couldn't A President Be Indicted?Amadeus, Mon Mar 4 3:58pm
              Why don't meteorologists tell us when it isn't going to rain orange juice? Amadeus
              • ...what COULDN'T happen, as it is to expect a Weatherman to say "It isn't going to rain Orange Juice". It's as stupid to expect the Constitution, which contains VERY DETAILED INSTRUCTIONS on how a... more
                • You're So Close...Amadeus, Mon Mar 4 10:16pm
                  Is the President a citizen? Yes. The President must be a citizen according to the Constitution. Are all citizens bound by the law? Yes, all citizens are bound by the law. Is the President, then,... more
                  • ...probably tell you to "P*ss off!" Since she thinks that "experts" "vehemently" and "enormously" disagree, you are not allowed to claim that you are correct... ...according to the Admin.
                    • Actually no she's not disagreeing with opinions.HeavyHemi, Tue Mar 5 12:31pm
                      Here again we can read the posts and see that you are in fast being dishonest about the content of them. You have in fact claimed quotes that were not made to make your arguments. That is dishonest... more
                • Nope, this is complete nonsensiscal babbling.HeavyHemi, Mon Mar 4 5:35pm
                  I mean if you understood whether the Constitution is prescriptive or proscriptive. Or perhaps if you quit conflating the concepts in your *arguments' in mid stride... You're really quite inept.
        • Then you get even more silly by changing it to 'discussing facts' while using the word 'intent'. Do you have a dictionary?
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