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Thu Aug 4, 2011 8:30am
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Do you suppose that primal man, using newly-discovered, high-tech thing called "fire", ever set the woods ablaze?

  • the gulf of mexico oil spill & fukushima nuclear accidents....they are just an warning signs of even bigger man-made disasters about to come.
    • Classic cases for futue text booksLewis, Fri Aug 5 8:56pm
      When we're awash in a sea of oil on the mainland, there's no need to drill so far beneath the ocean. And - what would we have done if the oil spill was by a rig belonging to China, or some other... more
      • *cough*.......now as we knowmatthew, Sun Aug 7 1:03pm
        3 mile deep oil wells & nuclear reactors did not grow out of the ground on their own..... someone with an unusually large something made them and fyi, that nuclear incident in japan is all hushed up... more
        • I can well believe that.Lewis, Sun Aug 7 3:56pm
          We shouldn't be drilling that deep until all other inventories are exhausted - and that won't be for a century or so. We have more oil in America, accessible from dry land, than is beneath the sands... more
          • i think oil will be over far soonermatthew, Sun Aug 14 1:21pm
            because of 5 billion people in asia, africa, south ameria all buying cars & suvs. and btw, oil shale is very expensive to process.
            • For decades it was not economical to collect our vast reserve of oil from our sands with the available technology back then. With the latest technology it became cheaper and faster to extract that... more
              • Oil shale already viable.Lewis, Fri Aug 19 8:15am
                They're doing it now in the Eagle-Ford formation, in which my wife has a very small financial interest. It's simple: Oil and water don't mix - so water is forced into the shale, the oil floats to the ... more
            • Of course it is.Lewis, Mon Aug 15 8:19am
              And yet the processing of it is very profitable (it's called "fracking" - water under pressure is squirted down the well, and the oil/water mixture is the separated. Not real hard to do, because oil... more
          • Off shore drilling is cheaperMike, Sun Aug 7 10:05pm
            No mineral rights contracts to buy. No pipeline to lay. Drilling platforms are mobile. Tankers don't need to navigate extra distances to fill up. Those capped off wells are most likely tapped out... more
            • and its also very dangerousmatthew, Sun Aug 14 1:24pm
              luckily the pressure of the oil well in mexico was low and the weather calm, else they might have not been able to cap it.....and u can imagine a few hundred billion barrels spewing out into the... more
              • Gentlemen, a WOOD fire is dangerousLewis, Wed Aug 17 7:14am
                The native bush people in Australia have so frequently set the bush ablaze that the place has gotten used to it - in fact, there are trees that will not germinate unless they ARE exposed to fire. If... more
              • That is trueMike, Tue Aug 16 11:04pm
                But the oil companies don't care about the environment. They are in it for profit and they must remain competitive with the many others that are drilling off shore.
              • I sometimes wonder about thatLewis, Mon Aug 15 8:12am
                Oil isn't made and then inflicted on nature by man; it's a natural substance, and nature knows how to deal with it. There are many places on earth where oil spurts up, without any wells having been... more
                • Yes, nature does deal with itMike, Tue Aug 16 11:32pm
                  It's really a matter of balance. Oil does seep on it's own from below and is eventually dispersed and eaten up. However, a full blown large well that is emptied into the ocean in a short amount of... more
                  • Yes, that's true tooLewis, Wed Aug 17 7:19am
                    But then oil from a British rig intended for the US is no more noxious than oil from a Chinese rig intended for China - and our seaboard (Atlantic and Gulf) is littered with oil rigs of other... more
            • BTW, Mike -Lewis, Sun Aug 7 10:39pm
              Most oil doesn't travel in pipelines (although a lot does). Some of it is carried by over-the-road transport trucks, and some by railroad tanker cars. Ocean-going tankers have a problem navigating... more
              • It dpends on the location of the wellMike, Wed Aug 17 12:17am
                Pipelines are the most efficient. The point is that you need transport this oil to the freighter from the well, where as you don't need to with off-shore wells.
                • You don't have to put it in a freighterLewis, Wed Aug 17 7:31am
                  You put it in railway tank cars - @ 50 or 60 per train - and haul it overland. As we now do. Put it in a ship and it's very, very close to the water - so that a storm or other adverse action can sink ... more
                  • They could have just used railway cars instead? Railroading oil is not always practical. A super tanker can hold more than 4 million barrels. One railway tanker car holds about 700 barrels, and at... more
                    • And how many trains in a day?Lewis, Thu Aug 18 10:37am
                      Just as tankers have a hard time navigating inland, away from the water - railway capacity doesn't exist (yet)in Prudhoe bay. We have our refineries ALMOST exclusively on the water - but should not.... more
            • By no means.Lewis, Sun Aug 7 10:33pm
              Once the oil reaches shore from the off-shore rig, then you still have the same problem with pipelines and other transport. Wells tapped out? Sorry - I know something about that. My wife's family (a... more
              • Re: By no means.Mike, Wed Aug 17 12:00am
                Of course you need transport for land distribution, but you don't need any other transport other than the freighter itself to fill up off-shore. It fills up right at the source. Oil from on-shore... more
              • It's all about liberal beaurocracyLewis, Mon Aug 8 9:35am
                Liberals love excessive regulation, and the oil business if a prime example thereof. You have permits for EXPLORATION, and then permits for pumping. In 1985, or there about, an oil company tracked us ... more
                • So liberals caused that?Mike, Wed Aug 17 12:37am
                  The oil companies couldn't meet their deadlines and it is the fault of the liberals? I know you want to defend them at all costs, but they're all doing just fine, still making RECORD profits. However ... more
                  • As a matter of fact - yes.Lewis, Wed Aug 17 7:23am
                    They didn't meet their deadlines because of having to comply with unnecessarily restrictive and complex regulations - put in place by liberals. This country, remember, is actually run more by the... more
                • Re: It's all about liberal beaurocracyC, Sat Aug 13 12:26am
                  Lewis how bout we just shut em all down, make the unions and demos go broke. It's happening today.
      • *cough*.......now as we knowmatthew, Sun Aug 7 1:02pm
        3 mile deep oil wells & nuclear reactors did not grow out of the ground on their own..... someone with an unusually large something. and fyi, that nuclear incident in japan is all hushed up in... more
    • True — Lewis, Thu Aug 4 8:30am
      • ummm....in case u have forgottenmatthew, Sun Aug 7 12:57pm
        the so called esteemed "primal man" had an unusually large brain.
        • Yes -Lewis, Sun Aug 7 3:59pm
          Created as a human, he had a human-sized brain with a virtual unlimited learning capacity - he just hadn't yet done the learning.
          • u know humans cant create matter, mass, energy, space, time, plants, stars, life etc, etc ? at the most they re-arranged some matter eg. making buildings, cars, planes and other toys of... more
            • Oh, all sorts of things.Lewis, Mon Aug 15 7:57am
              Like, for instance, shelter of some sort is nice when it's raining, snowing, or hailing. And a fire is nice when it's cold. And a set of wheels on a cart make carrying the firewood a lot easier. And... more
          • BTW, Matthew -Lewis, Sun Aug 7 10:36pm
            Had any luck yet, finding that human who's any where near having used all of his knowledge storage capacity? How about the drowned polar bear?
            • actually, much of the brain deals withmatthew, Sun Aug 14 1:36pm
              controlling the body functions, only it grows over a certain limit does it start to think abstract thoughts & logic...which causes the whole problem.
              • YepLewis, Tue Aug 16 8:17am
                It was designed and built that way. The original human brain had virtual unlimited learning capacity.
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