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Yvette:

I am not sure any anti on this board can make the moral distinction between the victim and the criminal, the innocent and the guilty, the crime and the punishment. That is what you antis do by equating execution and murder.

Killing in self defense, a just war and executions as a response to terrible crimes is morally licit.

"Killing equals Killing: The Amoral Confusion of Death Penalty Opponents"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/02/01/murder-and-execution--very-distinct-moral-differences--new-mexico.aspx

"The Death Penalty: Neither Hatred nor Revenge"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/07/20/the-death-penalty-neither-hatred-nor-revenge.aspx

"The Death Penalty: Not a Human Rights Violation"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2006/03/20/the-death-penalty-not-a-human-rights-violation.aspx

"Death Penalty Support: Religious and Secular Scholars"
http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2009/07/death-penalty-support-modern-catholic.html

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Pat, thank you — Dudley Sharp, Tue Jun 29 11:42

As a general rule anti death penalty arguements are false or the pro death penalty position is stronger. Here are some resources. I hope they are helpful. Pro death penalty sites essays... more
- Re: Pat, thank you — xkittenx, Wed Jun 30 04:28
  
  Lmao typical Pat u just proved what ive said all along only pro DP are right what planet you on?
- Re: Pat, thank you — Yvette Holden, Wed Jun 30 03:10
  
  Killing is wrong, civilized society should not execute its citizens. Dudley, judges and wardens once retired then admit there is no reason other than political to execute (or in your case for... more
- - Governments near perfection - protecting murderers — Dudley Sharp, Wed Jun 30 06:41
    
    As you well know, government officials whose ONLY job is to assess the ability of criminals to safely be in society are wrong about 60-80% of the time. These probationers, parolees and other early... more
  - - US: The murder rate in non-DP states consistently lower — Petra, Wed Jun 30 16:47
      
      The Death Penalty and Deterrence A September 2000 New York Times survey found that during the last 20 years, the homicide rate in states with the death penalty has been 48 to 101 percent higher than... more
    - - Petra- The murder rate in non-DP states consistently lower — pat, Thu Jul 1 01:00
        
        concidence is all it is Petra , well if i was an anti DP advocate id search also for all sorts of hot air to support what i beleive in , but concidence is all it is , a killer doesn't really think... more
      - Pat, why deterrence matters — Dudley Sharp, Fri Jul 2 09:34
        
        Many wrongly believe that gross murder rates are the manner in which we detect deterrence. It isn't, nor can it be, even though some social scientists and others use that barometer. For example,... more
        Deterrence and counterdeterrence — Portia, Sun Jun 3 07:26
        
        The recent study of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) in the U.S.A. offers a balanced presentation of the evidence, or often the lack thereof, and rightly finds the results inconclusive as to... more
        Facts about Deterence — Petra, Sat Jul 3 14:31
        
        DETERRENCE The fourth in a series on death penalty issues (see also DPIC podcasts) It might seem that the prospect of receiving a death sentence would deter would-be murderers from committing such... more
        Of course the death penalty deters — Dudley Sharp, Sat Jul 3 14:58
        
        Reply to the Criminologists "Deterrence and the Death Penalty: A Reply to Radelet and Lacock"... more
        Re: Of course the death penalty deters — xkittenx, Mon Jul 5 03:19
        
        Dudley if it was a deterrent there would be no murders!!I read a survay done amongst police chiefs not that long ago and 78% said the death penalty did not deter offenders some said that they felt... more
        understanding deterrence — Dudley Sharp, Mon Jul 5 07:53
        
        Kitten, you don't understand deterrence. The foundation for deterrence is that the prospect of a negative outcome will have a conscious or subconscious affect on restraining the behavior that may... more
        Deterrence and the death penalty — Petra., Thu Apr 26 16:52
        
        http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/crime_and_punishment/148952435.html Wednesday, April 25, 2012 | @ 5:24 PM Deterrence and the death penalty by JOSEPH SLOBODZIAN The death penalty: Deters people... more
        Re: understanding deterrence — xkittenx, Tue Jul 6 18:53
        
        Dudley everyone has there own opinion about the DP and what a fitting sentence is for murder the thing that gets me about you is no matter what inmate is mentioned you insist there guilty there is no ... more
        Re: understanding deterrence — xkittenx, Mon Jul 5 08:54
        
        Dudley i fully understand that but would LWOP not have same effect?
        execution vs life - deterrence — Dudley Sharp, Mon Jul 5 10:09
        
        All negative outcomes have similar effects in deterrence. It is unlikely that any two different prospects of a negative outcome have the exact same deterrent effect. They are different. However, was... more
        Re: execution vs life - deterrence — xkittenx, Tue Jul 6 17:52
        
        Dudley how can u say that LWOP wont have the same effect as execution?Its never been tried and if you ask any inmate who's sentence is LWOP the majority of them would tell you they would rather have... more
        Understanding deterrence — Dudley Sharp, Wed Jul 7 05:51
        
        We know the deterrent effects of execution are different than LWOP. As about, 99.9% of murderers subject to the death penalty fear life more than death and prefer life over death, and as most folks... more
        Re: Understanding deterrence — xkittenx, Thu Jul 8 09:22
        
        Dudley im more clued up than u think!! So because most inmates on DR would rather have life u execute them and cost the state millions of tax payers dollars hmmm yea i can see the sense in that... more
        The Myth of Deterrence: Death penalty does not reduce ... — Petra, Wed Jul 7 13:42
        
        The Myth of Deterrence: Death penalty does not reduce homicide rate DEATH NO MORE 09:26 AM CST on Sunday, December 2, 2007 In theory, the death penalty saves lives by staying the hand of would-be... more
        None can understand .... seeing the results of the DP (nm) — Petra, Wed Jul 7 17:05
        
        The Truth About the Deterrent Effect of the Death Penalty — Petra, Sat Jul 3 17:34
        
        Human Rights Facts February 26, 2010 Filip Spagnoli Human Rights Facts (162): The Truth About the Deterrent Effect of the Death Penalty, Ctd. November 7, 2009 Filip Spagnoli Leave a comment Some more ... more
        Go to Petra's link — Dudley Sharp, Sat Jul 3 18:03
        
        I have corrected as much of the errors as I can. Some of the posts did not appear, though. http://filipspagnoli.wordpress.com/?s=%22Truth+About+the+Deterrent%22
        Re: Go to Petra's link — xkittenx, Mon Jul 5 03:26
        
        Roflmao what did i tell you Petra Dudley would argue with your figures lol
        Re: Go to Petra's link — Petra, Sun Jul 4 16:18
        
        I don’t think that those who believe in deterrence are willing to look. http://filipspagnoli.wordpress.com/?s=%22Truth+About+the+Deterrent%22
        Re: Go to Petra's link — xkittenx, Mon Jul 5 02:51
        
        You do no that PRO DP especially Dudley will argue these figures are wrong dont you? lol
        All rebutted within — Dudley Sharp, Sat Jul 3 17:39
        
        Of course the death penalty deters — Dudley Sharp, Sat Jul 3 14:58
        Finally, death penalty opponents do not dispute that ... — Petra, Sat Jul 3 18:01
        
        Deterrence Death penalty advocates argue that the execution of convicted murderers deter others from committing murder for fear that they will also be executed, and also that murderers will be... more
        death penalty opponents agree with deterrence - no surprise — Dudley Sharp, Sat Jul 3 18:19
        
        "They argue that few murderers rationally weigh the possibility that they might face the death penalty before committing a murder." They are correct it is likley a few, as the recent 25 studies... more
        Re: death penalty opponents agree with deterrence - no surprise — xkittenx, Mon Jul 5 03:33
        
        Yes live murderers may and have murdered again Dudley your right but who do they murder innocent people or other murderers??? there is a big difference hun to murdering an innocent person to a... more
        TX:Every Texas Felon Gets A Life Sentence — Petra, Tue Jul 6 16:40
        
        Representative Harold Dutton: Every Texas Felon Gets A Life Sentence By John Nova Lomax, Tue., Jul. 6 2010 Criminal records are forever We like to think life sentences only go to the worst of... more
        Re: death penalty opponents agree with deterrence - no surprise — Petra, Sun Jul 4 13:04
        
        Murderers harm or murder, again, where is the study therefore when you are looked up ....?
        Re: Petra- The murder rate in non-DP states consistently lower — Petra, Thu Jul 1 05:53
        
        You don't stop murdering with the DP but spread the word as state that a human life can be killed with some circumstances. And you execute with a very questioned choice, when the state kills, it... more
    - US: Editorial: What courts are telling us — Petra, Wed Jun 30 15:31
      
      Editorial: What courts are telling us StoryDiscussionPosted: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 If you’re looking for an indictment of one part of our judicial system, consider this opening sentence of a... more
  - Moral differences between killings — Dudley Sharp, Wed Jun 30 06:27
  - - Re: Moral differences between killings — xkittenx, Thu Jul 1 12:03
      
      This is where we totally disagree you see an execution as a moral killing its ok to execute where as i see all killings as immoral Dudley i do however understand where your coming from you take a... more

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