David, the concern with carpenters glue is in the difficulty in removing it years down the line. If you look at comparative strength data available on line you find that the white glue is actually a stronger bond than carpenters glue and true Hide glue (not the premixed stuff) is the strongest bond. Plus white glue stores better and remains stable longer, yellow and premixed hide glue really needs to be tossed at the one year date and white glue can be used for 2 years. Another reason for glue failure is age.
Another advantage of true hide glue is that it will bond to itself just as securely as it does to wood and leather, that sticky mess is proof positive that the old hide glue is still as strong and viable 150 years later. Some of you know I went to woodworking school in the 1980s and some of my furniture now needs restoring, the carpenters glue joints on some pieces have failed. White and yellow glues will not bond to themselves at all and need to be removed to the bare wood if a new glue joint is going to hold.
The project .... install machine cane in a removable wood chair seat frame. The frame was refinished.... Sanded, re-stained and a lacquer finish applied over the frame. The sprayed lacquer coated the ... more
Handy chair caning tip -- If you ever want to spray or apply a finish on the seat with a brush before putting in the sheet cane and don't want the groove to get anything in there, just put some... more
Jan is right on both accounts, When you get glue on finish it takes no more than a fingernail to flake it off when it dries- this was no stronger than installing a seat with no glue at all. and never ... more
Yes, TA, the problem is the lacquer in the groove !!! The glue will not hold because of the lacquer, or paint of any knind !Groove should be sanded and clear of any old glue . I was taught that new... more
One of the wonderful things about reading this forum is the variety of suggestions that come forth. On the subject of machine cane and glue, I buy and use carpenter's wood glue on all machine cane. I ... more
I'm one of those people that likes using Hide glue. I use it when I do veneer jobs. I also like using it when I'm doing a restoration job for customers it is an option they have. I also use white... more
Hi David! It could be that the white glue wasn't applied heavily enough if it came loose. Also could be that the wrong size spline was used (too narrow). I've always used Elmer's white glue for... more
Re: machine cane Mindy King - the chair weaver,Mon May 14 12:41pm
Q: Is my bottle of glue still good? A? Looking at that bottle of glue wondering if it's still any good? Picking up one in the store and looking for a fresh one? I suppose it's way too complex to just ... more
Larry, Thank you for posting this information, (and with humor) I guess I may have done a lot of chairs during the winters that may have questionable glue jobs. Will keep fingers crossed. Randy Randy ... more
This thread is very helpful as I work on my first machine cane seat. The chair belonged to the gramma of a colleague at work. I inherited a few bottles of Ol' Yeller quick set (white) glue from a... more
In My View: You sealed the grove of the seat and so the glue could not adhere to the wood. The glue is not the problem but the glue will not adhere to a sealed surface like lacquer. When you spray... more