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David Welch
Tune unknown
Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:01pm
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I have to report that the LM tune in Fr Gordon`s manuscript is not known to our Banchory fiddlers. The former leader of the Strathspey and Reel has hunted without success in his stacks of tunes.

I`ve also had a look in the Scottish Music Index - Scottish Fiddle Tunes of the 18th and 19th Century. It`s similar to the Hymn Tune Index in providing a search by incipit, or rather by the first two bars. Indeed it`s better than HTI in providing a search by the second bar as well as the first. But there are also difficulties, like that only the beat notes are used, not the intermediates.

The SMI let me search the printed output of William Marshall - over 100 tunes in four collections - but nothing resembled your tune for Iam lucis orto sidere. Well that`s if I am understanding the notation properly.

I wonder if you have tried Ian Russell and the fiddle experts at his Elphinstone Institute, Shelagh.

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    Shelagh Noden, Wed Mar 21 12:22pm
    Hello from a recent discoverer of this site. My field of research is Scottish Rc music, late 18th to earlyish 19th cent.Is there anyone else with similar interests? More specifically I have found an... more
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      David Welch, Sun Mar 25 4:23pm
      Dear Shelagh, I presume your MS was related in some way to NE Scotland. Just possibly, some details about the forces required could help, like was there an instrumental line? RC chapels in the NE... more
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          David Welch, Wed Apr 4 2:54pm
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        • Re: Happy Mary
          Tim Henderson, Fri Mar 30 8:31am
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          • LM fiddle tune source found??
            David Welch, Mon Apr 2 10:24am
            Shelagh: I`ve had a look at the interesting article to which Tim helpfully drew attention, and wonder if your request back in 2010 brought any answers on the identity of the LM tune for Iam lucis... more
            • Re: LM fiddle tune source found??
              Shelagh Noden, Mon Apr 2 12:20pm
              Hello Yes, I did tentatively identify the fiddle melody from an 18th century collection at the SCA in Edinburgh. Annoyingly I don't have a note of it here, but will dig it out. If any of your... more
              • Tune unknown
                David Welch, Mon Apr 16 2:01pm
                • Tune unknown
                  Shelagh Noden, Wed Apr 18 9:49am
                  Thanks for looking. I did try the Elphinstone people without success. The SCA have a large collection of fiddle tunes and I intend to try these; will report back. Maybe GG wrote it himself?
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