David Welch
A possible help
Thu Aug 4, 2016 3:19pm
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I have pasted out from "Ship of Fools":

""According to the index of metres in "Caneuon Ffydd"

Short metre 6686
Welsh short metre 6786
Common metre 8686
Psalm metre 8787
Long metre 8888""

So maybe your WM is 6786.

We have a Welsh tune book which has the metre names MB, MC, MS and MH (plus D endings for double). They are respectively in English SM, CM, 8787 and LM.

So perhaps also your WM could be 8787. Our book has a tune Dymuniad (MS) with composer`s name Hugh Jones and date 1772. It doesn`t seem to have reached HTI.



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    cbrowo, Tue Aug 2 9:50am
    I have been looking at a Welsh book from the 1790s. This is in two parts (neither the melody) and without words. Amongst lots of familiar English tunes there are Welsh ones. 1. On some of the Welsh... more
    • A possible help
      David Welch, Thu Aug 4 3:19pm
      • Welsh metre
        Sally Drage, Fri Aug 5 8:40pm
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        • Re: Welsh metre
          Anonymous, Sat Aug 6 8:50pm
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          • A fascinating book
            David Welch, Sun Aug 7 9:05am
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      • Welsh Tunes
        Fynn Titford-Mock, Thu Aug 4 10:28pm
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        • further
          Fynn Titford-Mock, Thu Aug 4 10:46pm
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