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I think Krauthammer as usual is spot on in his assessment of what has happened and is happening re the young Donald Trump and his 'collusion' issue.

If you can honestly disagree with what Krauthammer posits, I'd appreciate your sharing why. I can find no fault with his evaluation, and so in this case I won't be part of the "there's no there there" when it comes to this subject. However, I still see no case for it being called criminal, however unethical and stupid it was for him to meet with the Russian lawyer. When it comes to unethical and stupid, we need to deal first with Obama and Hillary before moving on to Donald Trump, Jr. who was not in office when his event occurred.


Bungled collusion is still collusion (Commentary)

The Washington Post

By Charles Krauthammer | The Washington Post

WASHINGTON -- The Russia scandal has entered a new phase and there's no going back.

For six months, the White House claimed that this scandal was nothing more than innuendo about Trump campaign collusion with Russia in meddling in the 2016 election. Innuendo for which no concrete evidence had been produced.

Yes, there were several meetings with Russian officials, some only belatedly disclosed. But that is circumstantial evidence at best. Meetings tell you nothing unless you know what happened in them. We didn't. Some of these were casual encounters in large groups like the famous July 2016 Kislyak-Sessions exchange of pleasantries at the Republican National Convention. Big deal.

I was puzzled. Lots of cover-up, but where was the crime? Not even a third-rate burglary. For six months, smoke without fire. Yes, President Trump himself was acting very defensively, as if he were hiding something. But no one ever produced the something.

My view was: Collusion? I just don't see it. But I'm open to empirical evidence. Show me.

The evidence is now shown. This is not hearsay, not fake news, not unsourced leaks. This is an email chain released by Donald Trump Jr. himself. A British go-between writes that there's a Russian government effort to help Trump Sr. win the election, and as part of that effort he proposes a meeting with a "Russian government attorney" possessing damaging information on Hillary Clinton.

Moreover, the Kremlin is willing to share troves of incriminating documents from the Crown Prosecutor. (Error: Britain has a Crown Prosecutor. Russia has a State Prosecutor.)

Donald Jr. emails back. "I love it." Fatal words.

Once you've said "I'm in," it makes no difference that the meeting was a bust, that the intermediary brought no such goods. What matters is what Donald Jr. thought going into the meeting, as well as Jared Kushner and then-campaign manager Paul Manafort, who were copied on the correspondence, invited to the meeting, and attended.

"It was literally just a wasted 20 minutes, which was a shame," Donald Jr. told Sean Hannity. A shame? On the contrary, a stroke of luck. Had the lawyer real stuff to deliver, Donald Jr. and the others would be in far deeper legal trouble. It turned out to be incompetent collusion, amateur collusion, comically failed collusion. That does not erase the fact that three top Trump campaign officials were ready to play.

It may turn out that they did later collaborate more fruitfully. We don't know. But even if nothing else is found, the evidence is damning.

It's rather pathetic to hear Trump apologists protesting that it's no big deal because we Americans are always intervening in other people's elections, and they in ours. You don't have to go back to the '40s and '50s when the CIA intervened in France and Italy to keep the communists from coming to power. What about the Obama administration's blatant interference to try to defeat Benjamin Netanyahu in the latest Israeli election? One might even add the work of groups supported by the U.S. during Russian parliamentary elections -- the very origin of Vladimir Putin's deep animus toward Hillary Clinton, then secretary of state, whom he accuses of having orchestrated the opposition.

This defense is pathetic for two reasons. First, have the Trumpites not been telling us for six months that no collusion ever happened? And now they say: Sure it happened. So what? Everyone does it.

What's left of your credibility when you make such a casual about-face?

Second, no, not everyone does it. It's one thing to be open to opposition research dug up in Indiana. But not dirt from Russia, a hostile foreign power that has repeatedly invaded its neighbors (Georgia, Crimea, Eastern Ukraine), that buzzes our planes and ships in international waters, that opposes our every move and objective around the globe. Just last week the Kremlin killed additional U.N. sanctions we were looking to impose on North Korea for its ICBM test.

There is no statute against helping a foreign hostile power meddle in an American election. What Donald Jr. -- and Kushner and Manafort -- did may not be criminal.

But it is not merely stupid. It is also deeply wrong, a fundamental violation of any code of civic honor.

I leave it to the lawyers to adjudicate the legalities of unconsummated collusion. But you don't need a lawyer to see that the Trump defense -- collusion as a desperate Democratic fiction designed to explain away a lost election -- is now officially dead.

https://articles.syracuse.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/07/bungled_collusion_is_still_collusion_commentary.amp



Bungled collusion is still collusion (Commentary)

The Washington Post

By Charles Krauthammer | The Washington Post

WASHINGTON -- The Russia scandal has entered a new phase and there's no going back.

For six months, the White House claimed that this scandal was nothing more than innuendo about Trump campaign collusion with Russia in meddling in the 2016 election. Innuendo for which no concrete evidence had been produced.

Yes, there were several meetings with Russian officials, some only belatedly disclosed. But that is circumstantial evidence at best. Meetings tell you nothing unless you know what happened in them. We didn't. Some of these were casual encounters in large groups like the famous July 2016 Kislyak-Sessions exchange of pleasantries at the Republican National Convention. Big deal.

I was puzzled. Lots of cover-up, but where was the crime? Not even a third-rate burglary. For six months, smoke without fire. Yes, President Trump himself was acting very defensively, as if he were hiding something. But no one ever produced the something.

My view was: Collusion? I just don't see it. But I'm open to empirical evidence. Show me.

The evidence is now shown. This is not hearsay, not fake news, not unsourced leaks. This is an email chain released by Donald Trump Jr. himself. A British go-between writes that there's a Russian government effort to help Trump Sr. win the election, and as part of that effort he proposes a meeting with a "Russian government attorney" possessing damaging information on Hillary Clinton.

Moreover, the Kremlin is willing to share troves of incriminating documents from the Crown Prosecutor. (Error: Britain has a Crown Prosecutor. Russia has a State Prosecutor.)

Donald Jr. emails back. "I love it." Fatal words.

Once you've said "I'm in," it makes no difference that the meeting was a bust, that the intermediary brought no such goods. What matters is what Donald Jr. thought going into the meeting, as well as Jared Kushner and then-campaign manager Paul Manafort, who were copied on the correspondence, invited to the meeting, and attended.

"It was literally just a wasted 20 minutes, which was a shame," Donald Jr. told Sean Hannity. A shame? On the contrary, a stroke of luck. Had the lawyer real stuff to deliver, Donald Jr. and the others would be in far deeper legal trouble. It turned out to be incompetent collusion, amateur collusion, comically failed collusion. That does not erase the fact that three top Trump campaign officials were ready to play.

It may turn out that they did later collaborate more fruitfully. We don't know. But even if nothing else is found, the evidence is damning.

It's rather pathetic to hear Trump apologists protesting that it's no big deal because we Americans are always intervening in other people's elections, and they in ours. You don't have to go back to the '40s and '50s when the CIA intervened in France and Italy to keep the communists from coming to power. What about the Obama administration's blatant interference to try to defeat Benjamin Netanyahu in the latest Israeli election? One might even add the work of groups supported by the U.S. during Russian parliamentary elections -- the very origin of Vladimir Putin's deep animus toward Hillary Clinton, then secretary of state, whom he accuses of having orchestrated the opposition.

This defense is pathetic for two reasons. First, have the Trumpites not been telling us for six months that no collusion ever happened? And now they say: Sure it happened. So what? Everyone does it.

What's left of your credibility when you make such a casual about-face?

Second, no, not everyone does it. It's one thing to be open to opposition research dug up in Indiana. But not dirt from Russia, a hostile foreign power that has repeatedly invaded its neighbors (Georgia, Crimea, Eastern Ukraine), that buzzes our planes and ships in international waters, that opposes our every move and objective around the globe. Just last week the Kremlin killed additional U.N. sanctions we were looking to impose on North Korea for its ICBM test.

There is no statute against helping a foreign hostile power meddle in an American election. What Donald Jr. -- and Kushner and Manafort -- did may not be criminal.

But it is not merely stupid. It is also deeply wrong, a fundamental violation of any code of civic honor.

I leave it to the lawyers to adjudicate the legalities of unconsummated collusion. But you don't need a lawyer to see that the Trump defense -- collusion as a desperate Democratic fiction designed to explain away a lost election -- is now officially dead.

https://articles.syracuse.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/07/bungled_collusion_is_still_collusion_commentary.amp

    • I disagree w/ Krauthammer... I listen ~ Aurora, Sat Jul 15 3:12pm
      to Krauthammer every night and I'm sick of his anti-Trump nonsense. As a side note, he's also in favor of Baby Charlie being put down as well, as he sits in his own wheelchair, a quadriplegic and... more
      • Just ask yourself,Why are they ALL lying. (nm) ~ clint (I), Mon Jul 17 1:44pm
      • Yes, Krauthammer is a tired rabid Zionist ~ Phooey, Mon Jul 17 8:04am
        who is past it. Such a smug pug, too. Another molder of opinion who sets Israeli-first propaganda before America-first sane foreign policy decisions.
        • Yes, since the rabid Zionists are ~ Aurora, Mon Jul 17 11:12am
          behind the long-sought one world order, it's hard to figure out how Trump tiptoes through that swamp without getting swallowed up by sucking mud. Israel is not really a product of true Israelis, and... more
      • I'm only talking about this incident, ~ shadow, Sat Jul 15 6:16pm
        not the Democrats, not the family, just this incident. And I think the results will bear out/are bearing out Krauthammer's assertion; no good will come from this.
        • Wow... set up by Democrats, ~ Aurora, Sat Jul 15 6:59pm
          But you would ignore their role? Wow, just wow. At heart, you must be a globalist and eager for Pence to get the Neocons back on track, because that is all this is about. Jr took a meeting thät any... more
          • I am not a globalist. ~ shadow, Sat Jul 15 8:21pm
            I am not ignoring anything. I am specifically saying that I think what he did was dumb, no matter the excuses, no matter the so-called reasons, no matter being set up. I do not understand how he... more
            • You're acting just like the snowflakes. ~ Aurora, Mon Jul 17 11:23am
              You'll only discuss the alleged Trump sin, and none of the dastardly actual criminal acts leading into it and committed by Hillary's bunch. Just amazing to me... But this is why I have no use for... more
              • You make a lot of assumptions; ~ shadow, Mon Jul 17 1:08pm
                some of them are incorrect. Just because somebody isn't beating your drum doesn't mean they are all wrong. Just because someone is addressing a specific negative about Trump doesn't mean they're not... more
      • FISA-warrant! (nm) ~ Aurora, Sat Jul 15 3:13pm
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