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The coming Republican Tax/Medical Plan ~ DFM, Sun Nov 26 3:45pm

will lower taxes on the rich, raise taxes on the poor, and deprive millions of needed health care. DFM
- It does appear that way. (nm) ~ clint (I), Mon Nov 27 12:11pm
- Google Obamacare nightmares. It was a farce to begin with. ~ TW, Mon Nov 27 11:31am
  
  People stupid enough to believe you can insure tens of millions more for less money have to be fools to begin with. Those telling them it would be so are shysters of the worst kind. With an... more
- - As you well know,we never got ~ clint (I), Mon Nov 27 12:16pm
    
    Obamacare.The Reps. made sure of that.
  - - Obama endorsed it! Said he'd be proud of the label. ~ TW, Mon Nov 27 2:18pm
      
      The socialist left naturally wanted single-payer, but did not get it because even some Democrats wouldn't buy into it.
    - - I'm inclined to believe the current Obama care mess... ~ KDM on the left coast, Mon Nov 27 6:32pm
        
        ...was pushed for in the belief that an out and out socialist plan would not win passage. Instead they came up with a convoluted load of crap that would eventually fail...and thus open up the door... more
      - Unfortunately. (nm) ~ clint (I), Mon Nov 27 3:03pm
- It's the sort of ludicrous scam... ~ Poppet, Mon Nov 27 10:12am
  
  ...that should be driving people to threaten insurrection...yet there are literally millions of people who will unquestionably be harmed by it that nevertheless support it. For purely partisan... more
- - Amen (nm) ~ clint (I), Mon Nov 27 3:05pm
  - As I have stated many times, Parties are a MAJOR Problem. ~ DFM, Mon Nov 27 10:50am
    
    DFM
- How about you pay for your own health care? ~ Eleanor, Sun Nov 26 6:50pm
  
  And I will pay for mine and if you let me decide what is “needed” for me, I will let you decide what is “needed” for you. It is time for a flat tax in which everyone pays the same percentage and then ... more
- - Yes, yes, yes! Let health insurance companies compete ~ Curmudgeon , Mon Nov 27 6:19pm
    
    nationwide for our business based on what they offer and what it will cost.
  - How about if I drop dead. ~ DFM, Sun Nov 26 9:10pm
    
    Suppose that I cannot afford it due to special circumstances. Am I supposed to simply drop dead? DFM
  - - Right now, under OCare, if you cannot AFFORD insurance... ~ TEXRA, Mon Nov 27 5:32am
      
      ...YOU GET FINED! Trump is doing away with that part of OCare.
    - - Not true. (nm) ~ clint (I), Mon Nov 27 12:27pm
      - The so-called free market is not a cure! (nm) ~ PH💉💊EY, Mon Nov 27 7:41am
    - Do you want me to pay for your funeral? ~ Eleanor, Sun Nov 26 9:13pm
      
      How about I pay for mine and you pay for yours? That seems fair. Just my opinion, of course.
    - - LOL,Ya can't take it with you. (nm) ~ clint(I), Mon Nov 27 12:29pm
      - "Every man for himself" isn't how our species evolved. ~ Poppet, Mon Nov 27 10:09am
        
        We're a cooperative species...
      - At the pack/tribe level I agree... ~ Sprout, Tue Nov 28 7:35am
        
        I hunt to feed the tribe and others can see that. Others gather to feed the tribe and I can SEE that. Others watch my children while I hunt and my wife gathers an I can see that. Others weave the... more
        Voluntary cooperation is fantastic. ~ Eleanor, Mon Nov 27 8:43pm
        
        We didn’t evolve by coercing you to pay my bills by force if necessary. You have the right to spend your earnings the way you see fit without interference from others. Just my opinion, of course.
        But without at least some degree of societal pressure... ~ Poppet, Mon Nov 27 10:20pm
        
        ...there will always be those that simply refuse to cooperate (while at the same time invariably availing themselves of the benefits of cooperative society). Those types run the gamut from welfare... more
        Yes. They are known as "liberals" or "progressives". (nm) ~ Curmudgeon , Tue Nov 28 8:44am
        
        Societal pressure should not include suppressing rights. ~ Eleanor, Mon Nov 27 11:39pm
        
        The benefit of cooperative society should be limited to protecting our inalienable rights. Just my opinion, of course.
        We definitely disagree in this area. ~ Poppet, Tue Nov 28 9:45am
        
        I understand the ethical philosophy behind enshrining the primacy of the individual. I simply don't agree with it. Nor, I would assert, does our evolution... A functional society must balance the... more
        Poppet has expressed my position EXACTLY! Thanks. (nm) ~ DFM, Tue Nov 28 11:21am
        
        Some of us are cooperative. ~ PH👏🏾👏🏾EY, Mon Nov 27 12:22pm
        
        Others think they are "self-made."
      - What is fair ~ PH👹👹EY, Sun Nov 26 11:57pm
        
        Is that we all come down with TB and plague and leprosy because a huge portion of the population are unable to see a doctor due to no job, no welfare, no medicine because the rich continue to suck... more
- Work or die ~ Tell it like it is, Sun Nov 26 6:16pm
  
  Baby Boomers are at harms way with the republicans ruling the roost . All the republicans ever cared about is lowering taxes on the rich and lowering wages on the working class.
- - I am inclined to agree with you. ~ PH👏🏾👏🏾EY, Sun Nov 26 11:53pm
    
    This tax cut scheme will give tax cuts to the rich and to business owners. The middle class will be the ones who pay for adding more debt to the already bankrupt treasury. Trump betrays!
- And how, exactly, is making it voluntary "depriving" LOSERS? ~ TEXRA, Sun Nov 26 5:50pm
  
  ...Only a DUMocrat believes that giving people a choice equals "depriving".
- Yep. Voodoo economics! ~ PH👹👹EY, Sun Nov 26 5:40pm
  
  I read a sober assessment of the tax plan and who benefits and who is screwd. The rich will gain the greatest largesse whilst the middle class will be fleeced. I fully expect my Medicare coverages to ... more
- Not to Mention the Growing Deficit and Debt ~ It Is Worth It Because Trump Is Not Hillary., Sun Nov 26 4:06pm
  
  Jus' sayin'. Merlin ;-)

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