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Amadeus
Trying To Understand Your Point Of View...
Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:54pm
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This mentality infuriates me.

I was initially not sure which mentality you were referring to, but I think you mean my position in general as expressed in my post.

It's women who say "I can do what I want, but men can't".
That's what it boils down to. It is selfish.

I don't see that. Who gets to do what they want isn't defined by their biological gender, it's defined by who respects other people's boundaries. If I see a fashion show, and it involves lingerie, I do not assume that as a man, it is now my prerogative to let my raging lust direct my response. I remain a decent human being.

For society to live cooperatively, it requires some unselfishness, not the claiming of every right one imagines.

Why would the claiming of a right be selfish? The violation of someone's rights is far more selfish. In this case, we're talking about the right to not be assaulted simply because someone finds you attractive.

Men are visual, very visual when it comes to women. Women who want to encourage the best morality among men won't encourage 'lust' because that is exactly what it is.

I agree. Men do tend to concentrate on the sense of sight when it comes to sexuality. As a man, I know that the excuse of, "Well, she got me all lustful, and I just couldn't help myself," is bunk. Sure, I might go to Hooters and be aroused by the wait staff, but I'm not going to pat any of them on the butt. I'm not going to assume that because they dress in outfits designed to arouse that I have permission to grope them. Women should not be responsible for the morality of the men who may or may not assault them. Those men are wholly responsible.

That doesn't mean we don't paint the barn or dress in burqas, but it does suggest a modicum of modesty, of consideration for the statement that is being made.

Either you believe it, or you don't. What do you think the argument was against women showing their ankles in our own Puritan past? What do you think the argument is against women wearing jeans in some cultures? Why are some girls sent home from school when their bra straps show? Because we have this mindset that men can't help it. They're animals.

Sorry, but we're not animals. Don't buy that excuse when it's offered, and certainly don't offer it up so that the men don't even have to take responsibility for having claimed it.

If there is a man out there who says, "I hate to let all you decent human beings down, but when I see a [insert your cultural/societal image of provocative female imagery], I really can't help it. The reasonable part of my brain shuts down, and the animal takes over. I may seem charming, but it's all a part of getting what the animal needs, and I will be getting it," - then that man should take responsibility while he's still reasonable. He is the one with special needs. He should avoid contact with women at all costs, and he might want to pursue psychiatric therapy.

Amadeus

  • This mentality infuriates me. ~ shadow, Tue Nov 28 12:58pm
    It's women who say "I can do what I want, but men can't". That's what it boils down to. It is selfish. For society to live cooperatively, it requires some unselfishness, not the claiming of every... more
    • Trying To Understand Your Point Of View... ~ Amadeus, Tue Nov 28 1:54pm
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