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new here but wanted to chime in about top schools
Sat Sep 8, 2007 7:45am (XFF: unknown)

I've been following this article with interest though I admit I know absolutely nothing about this particular kid. I do agree with Hanna that it is very rare for a child of 12 to be admitted to a top tier school and both Brown and Middlebury are, especially in recent years, top tier schools. Middlebury is a small liberal arts college that, like all liberal arts colleges, emphasizes academics and ability to contribute to the school community. This could go either way for this boy. Brown might be more willing to be more singleminded in looking at academic accomplishments. It will be interesting to see what happens.

For those who are unaware of the highly competitive nature of college admissions these days, you should know that unless one is an athlete or very well connected legacy, most qualified kids do not gain admission to schools like Brownor Middlebury. From my kid's high school, every single kid admitted to Yale last year, without exception, had a powerful connection to the school. There were those with dizzying accomplishments who were passed over in favor of those with some sort of "hook." I can think of at least one PG kid who ended up at Johns Hopkins rather than the Ivy he sought. The thing that's hard to understand until you're in the middle of it is that intellect is not the prime factor that gets you in. It's very hard to say whether this 12 year old will be able to gain admission to schools that routinely reject his intellectual peers--who knows? Maybe he'll stand out enough to get their attention, maybe he'll be told to wait. Whatever happens, I'm rooting for him.

  • Re: Quietly doing thisHanna, Tue Sep 4 7:31am
    I think their point is he will be attending (matriculated) college next year at age 12, and if he gets admitted to Brown or Middlebury- that would actually be quite shocking. I highly doubt that a... more
    • new here but wanted to chime in about top schools — lin, Sat Sep 8 7:45am
      • Good infoSherri L, Sat Sep 8 9:39pm
        I never realized that, and it's good to know. I have been going along thinking that scores, accomplishments, extracurricular activities etc. would do it if they were at a high enough level...
    • College nameSherri L, Wed Sep 5 3:09pm
      I thought you posted these for discussion in general and maybe how it applies to us. I haven't seen any relationship to the name of the college attended and success in the working world. It is... more
      • Re: College nameHanna, Wed Sep 5 3:53pm
        I am confused about what you are saying. I DO post these articles for discussion and how it may apply to us. I don't think I implied that there is a relationship to the name of college attended and... more
        • Was in a hurry to get a discussion goingSherri L, Wed Sep 5 4:32pm
          I was trying to expand the focus to US and away from this particular child as a point of discussion and to get away from the "good article" comments that usually happen after you post! I skimmed the... more
          • Thanks for clarifying...but chickens?
            • animal houseSherri L, Wed Sep 5 9:46pm
              Yeah, chickens - it's been that kind of week! DH and DD went to the state fair and came home with them. We use them for eggs... We also have had frogs in the bathtub for three years, a turtle in an... more
          • Early entranceSherri L, Wed Sep 5 4:51pm
            My comment about it not being a big deal for younger kids to enter college stems from recent experience. I know several homeschooling families with regular kids who all started college p/t at 16 and... more
    • Wondering why you think thatmcubed, Tue Sep 4 9:21am
      I was wondering why you think he would have problems getting into Brown or Middlebury. I know the boy. He is very personable, quite well-rounded, and would fit in nicely with the students at either... more
      • ReasonHanna, Tue Sep 4 11:27am
        I have seen him on TV and he seems to have all the attributes you mention. I don't question his intelligence or well-roundedness, but I have never heard of an Ivy or equivalent school accepting a... more
        • That's not trueGG, Tue Sep 4 11:24pm
          Sho Yano was admitted to a Ph.D./M.D. program at the University of Chicago (this is a program that is fully funded and I believe might also have a stipend). I'm pretty sure it's tougher to get... more
          • Re: That's not trueHanna, Wed Sep 5 6:30am
            Firstly, I am speaking of undergrad, secondly, I am speaking of recent history. Thirdly, I am speaking of a top ranked school. Sidis attended Harvard in the early 1900s. Wolf graduated Yale in 1945,... more
          • Oh, and I should add...GG, Tue Sep 4 11:27pm
            that it is very rare for a student 12 and under to *apply* to a top college, so you wouldn't expect many to be admitted. For one thing, most families would have to move for the child to attend a top... more
            • Sorry...names of early college gradsmcubed, Thu Sep 6 4:37pm
              Chi-Bin Chien, Ph.D. (b. 1965); B.A. 1981, Johns Hopkins University Erik Demaine, started college courses at 12, and received his doctorate at 20 and at the same age Steve Lu:Started studying at... more
              • Re: Sorry...names of early college gradsHanna, Thu Sep 6 7:16pm
                The only one you mentioned that bolsters your argument is Chien and as GG mentioned, we don't know how old he was when he began. As an aside, that was over a quarter of a century ago. I read... more
                • The age must not be anything above 15GG, Thu Sep 6 11:22pm
                  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070902/ap_on_re_us/young_ivy_leaguer That's a story about a 15-year-old girl who started at an Ivy college on Wednesday (of this year, not 40 years ago). But clearly some ... more
                  • Re: The age must not be anything above 15Hanna, Fri Sep 7 6:38am
                    I will try to find it, I have been Googling ---, as far as this girl, she is 15 and 1/2 which is, as you say, a different animal from a 12 year old.
              • Hanna has a point, thoughGG, Thu Sep 6 6:30pm
                Did Chi-Bin Chien start college at 12 or earlier? He graduated at 15 years, 7 months of age, but he might have finished his degree in under 2.5 years (it's not typical by any means, but some have... more
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