He got his rep the same way Butch did. The propaganda machine in WY.Wy Stock Growers, RR, Pinks and yellow journalists. Not to mention Col Jay L Torrey who had a personal vendetta.
Here is a story that happened in 1909 but included some of the same people .It shows how the stories were manipulated in the press and by locals. I gave many talks locally on this at Historical Soc in several counties. And wrote it up in local newsletters.
The murders in Ten Sleep area of 3 sheep herders by George Sabin (Horse forman for the Torrey brothers) was charged in these murders with several others. Sabin was also the head of the vigilante committee in 1903 that murdered several at the Basin jail.
A witness in the Sheep Springs trial of Sabin was a young man who witnessed it. He was spirited out of the area to the state of Washington for safety.The WSGA and many of the cattle ranchers in the area including those of the Embar were holding meetings. They decided to watch the mails to see if they could find out where the witness was taken.
A freighter who also delivered the mails between Thermopolis and Meeteetse named Jimmy Wooten was on duty that fateful November.
It made the papers that he was missing and never showed up with the mail. Search parties were sent out but they only found the horses and wagon .
Many years later articles were written about it by a descendant of the Price family of Embar. They stated that they were children when it happened and were present out on the Gooseberry in the spring when Jimmy's body was found by the banks of the river . They said he was lost in a terrible snowstorm.Being a drunk he must have fallen in the river and drowned.He had no family and no one from Postal Dept in Denver could locate anyone who knew him. There are a lot of details to all of this story and none of them true. The dates are wrong , the weather was wrong and any facts about him are wrong.
From my own research: He was from MO and his family were well established frieghters . Jimmy had been staying in the Thermopolis hotel in 1900 up to 1909. One of Ed Enderley's son's was sent to Seattle to look for the young witness. Ed being the head of the Vigelante committee in Hot Springs.
In Thermopolis early that morning in NOV ,Jimmy picked up the mail and a passenger. A well dressed horse buyer going to Meeteetse. Jimmy went more than half way to Meeteetse when he was stopped by 2 others . And they shot him , took the mail from the wagon which was chained to it in a bag. They scared off the horses . The weather was unseasonably warm. No snow or rain or a cloud in the sky. I put together quite a bit on this story and proved everything written both at the time and years later was completely false.
In WY it is all smoke and mirrors.
Of course Sabin and others were convicted. However the irony of it all is that Sabin was allowed out on work gang from the Rawlins prison. Supposedly to work on a road gang in Cody. He merely walked away and the papers reported he was never seen again. Another lie. I interviewed his daughter who said he went back to his Ranch in Ten Sleep area where he lived out a long life. They kept Guinnea hens to warn them if someone came near the ranch. George would hide in the root cellar while his wife went to the door with a pistol concealed in her skirt.
The letter may not be by Hoffman but it is doubtful that it is written by Butch. The only provenance you give for this letter is that it was donated by Harvey Murdock.It did not even come to light... more
Using logic there is a lot of problems with this letter. Mainly Butch would not have written to Matilda as her daughter was divorced from Elzy for several years and there was a lot of animosity over... more
Your post is rather long on speculation more than actual fact. Past that, the list of people who apparently accept that letter as legit, and cite it in their writings (apart from legions of secondary ... more
I suggest you go ask that of Bill Bentenson and Donna Ernst. For some reason you want to focus on me, and demean me for relying on the accepted history of Butch CAssidy. I suggest you go rag on... more
You began this attack on me and when I turned the tables you run crying to mama. If you don't like what I post simply ignore it. But if you want to engage me then I will give back as good as I get.... more
It's because I actualy think and do original research . Not like you that just accepts what anyone wants to write about. And copies it off the internet. I am not the only one who has come to this... more
Why am I not surprised you offered not one bit of proof the letter is a fake? And this brilliant methodology of "original research" of yours is how you have concluded: Butch never robbed hardly... more
The propaganda machine spread the news that Butch had gone to SA. There is no proof whatsoever that this is true. They also said Logan went to SA. So were they right about either one? Follow the... more
You may want to read the the article in the Idaho Statesman, Nov 18, 1897. It is a long article about the gangs in the Powder Springs, Baggs, and Craig area. It lists many names of outlaws and the... more
Publication: Steamboat Pilot (Steamboat Springs, Routt County); Date: Aug 10, 1898; Section: Front page; Page: 1 JEFF DUNBAR OUTLAW Ending of a Career Notorious in Criminal Annals. WAS AN OULAW BY... more
Jack, Thanks for posting this article. I wish there was more of this kind of post on the subject on this board and less childish sniping. If this article is legit and credible it seems to imply that... more
Jerry & Dan, The Jeff Dunbar articles were probably all penned by Willis George Emerson, who was known for sensationalizing. I’ve heard a lot of stories about Jeff Dunbar, none were positive. As far... more
August 1897 George R. Caldwell correspondent of the Denver News wrote Bandits of the Border. Similar versions same article, November 1897 The Idaho Daily Statesman, Organized Highwaymen Terrorize... more
Thanks, Jack. Helpful information. Willis George Emerson rewriting George R. Caldwell sounds like Baron von Munchausen borrowing from Marco Polo. By the way, I ran Emerson's name thru a two more... more
Jack, Thanks, good summary. I'd forgotten about Emerson. His byline, "Willis George Emerson, Grand Encampment, Wyo, Aug. 6, 1898," is barely readable on a splotchy, microfilm copy of his August 7,... more
Jerry, Jeff Dunbar and as well William "Mike" Dunbar, reportedly his brother, who might have been linked to the Winnamucca holdup, are mentioned briefly in Ernst (2009), Burton (2012). Patterson... more
William “Mid” Nichols saloon partner of John “Jack” Ryan Baggs, Wyoming. Vernal Express 1894-08-16 Sheriff Geo. Searle received a telephone message from Fort Duchesne, Tuesday morning stating that... more
THE CARBON COUNTY JOURNAL SATURADAY JULY 30, 1898 DIED WITH HIS BOOTS ON. Jeff Dunbar Falls From Bullets Fired By Jim Davis. DIXON THE BLOODY SCENE. Davis Full of Wounds But Will Probably Recover --- ... more
Thanks, Jack. By the way, years later, December 23, 1915, the Encampment Record ran a short recollection on Dunbar and Davis, describing Dunbar as a "noted highwayman" who along with "his associates... more
I did not say Butch never robbed nor did I say he was a willing Patsy. You completely misconstued what I said. He was not an outlaw until he got out of prison and then it is anyones guess what all he ... more
I didn't say you said he "never robbed". I said you seem to claim he "hardly robbed" anything. Maybe I've missed it, but I know of no major Cassidy historian who has opined or claimed that Butch was... more
Vince if there were any Peers of mine on this forum I would share with them and I have . And you certainly are not one. Nor are you a historian or a genealogist. You are a groupie who decides what... more
And you are a sheep that follows the flock and are incapable of an original thought. History is an ongoing work and nothing is accepted unless there is incontrovertible facts. I don't put anything on ... more