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ChrisV
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Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:17am
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Just because he is a criminal does not make him stupid as you have stated before. A very ignorant comment on your part. I and others think just the opposite. He was very intelligent. Using code would not be that big of deal, just as staging horse before/after robbery etc...was not a big deal. Did he use code in letters? I have no idea, but I wouldn't put it passed him.

  • Re: outlaw capitalizationDaniel Buck, Mon Nov 20 10:01am
    Chris, The rule that ever time something is retold it changes is universal, it applies to everyone, even me. Smile. Dan PS Putting words in ALL CAPS is cute.
    • yawn — ChrisV, Mon Nov 20 10:17am
      • Re: yawnVince Garcia, Mon Nov 20 4:35pm
        This is a very interesting question: Did the WB have any sort of "code" they used to communicate with? They did have a series of drop locations for letters and communiques. Would they have been... more
        • Re: yawnChrisV, Mon Nov 20 4:41pm
          Im with you. Secret mail locations is all I know about. Would be neat if there was a secret code. I doubt it, but you never know ;)
          • Re: yawnVince Garcia, Mon Nov 20 6:02pm
            Unless somehow I missed or read and forgot that they had such a cryptographic system, only someone who who had really good lore knowledge of the WB, who likely would need to have spoken to some... more
            • Acrostic CypherChrisV, Tue Nov 21 5:56am
              I doubt theres anything to a "secret code" lol, but it definitely wouldn't be done with a decoder ring. Possibly something like acrostic cyphering. This was used a long time before Butch came along... more
            • Sky King Tele-Blinker Decoder RingDaniel Buck, Tue Nov 21 5:20am
              Vince, Hmm, we've bounced from a possible Sky King Tele-Blinker Decoder Ring, apparently issued to all dues-paying members of the Wild Bunch, to Kerry Ross Boren, best known for having claimed to be... more
              • Re: Sky King Tele-Blinker Decoder RingChrisV, Tue Nov 21 6:41am
                Dan, You have the best copy of the Town Disease letter. What is drawn above "16 de Octobre" Looks like Roman numeral 9......IX with some dots. Chris
                • Re: Sky King Tele-Blinker Decoder RingDaniel Buck, Tue Nov 21 8:31am
                  Chris, Above "16 de Octubre" and below "Cholila. Feb. 29. 1904" is "17" There are several dots or ink specks around the 17. I notice that BC capitalized lots of words that would, per the... more
                  • Re: Sky King Tele-Blinker Decoder RingChrisV, Tue Nov 21 8:36am
                    Thanks Dan. I saw that the capitalization as well. Like mentioned earlier, could just be what he was comfortable using.I wonder what 17 with dots would mean?
                    • Re: Sky King Tele-Blinker Decoder RingDaniel Buck, Tue Nov 21 8:49am
                      Chris, as I mentioned earlier, people in those days capitalized internal words much more than they do today. It was the practice. A reasonable guess is that 17 had some local significance, like a... more
              • Re: Sky King Tele-Blinker Decoder RingVince Garcia, Tue Nov 21 5:59am
                What I said was true, though. Jesse James was no genius, but his gang seem to used ciphers in some communications. And while the WB weren't smart enough to employ advanced cryptography in obscuring... more
                • Re: Sky King Tele-Blinker Decoder RingDaniel Buck, Tue Nov 21 8:37am
                  Vince, I would take nothing KRB wrote at face value. He was the Typhoid Mary of early outlaw history. In other words, horse hockey until shown othewise. As for the supposedly coded letters, only one... more
                  • Re: Sky King Tele-Blinker Decoder RingChrisv, Tue Nov 21 8:48am
                    How many people does it take to make up a gang? He had robbed Telluride by the time he wrote a letter to his brother. Matt Warner and Tom MCcarty were with him, so technically he does have a gang.... more
                • Re: Sky King Tele-Blinker Decoder RingChrisV, Tue Nov 21 6:13am
                  "(they probably wouldn't have gotten more sophisticated than using name aliases and maybe obscuring locations like calling Devil's tower "the Big Rock" or things like that)," Would make sense. Take... more
                  • The decipher ring. Bob Goodwin, Tue Nov 21 7:01am
                    As you are all going around on your merry little dance of arguing back and forth, lets stop the music for a minute here. There is evidence that Butch and the Wild Bunch did use ciphers or some kind... more
                    • Re: The decipher ring. Daniel Buck, Tue Nov 21 11:01am
                      Bob, Following the ukase of never say never, it would not be prudent of me to say never, ever. That said, I'm not sure I follow the first two examples, and as for Roger Pocock, he had, how shall we... more
                    • BobPat, Tue Nov 21 9:10am
                      I didn't know you (as Vince states) knew or talked to Punteney. Since Walt died before you were born that was quite a fete. In any case I interviewed his daughter and got a lot of documents and... more
                    • Re: The decipher ring. Vince Garcia, Tue Nov 21 7:16am
                      I did just mention the potential for name and place substitutions. It's the use of a sophisticated form of cryptography or formal coded language I'm skeptical about. How would Pocock know? And where... more
                    • Re: The decipher ring. Bob Goodwin, Tue Nov 21 7:09am
                      Now you can all go back to your little dance of death.
                    • Re: The decipher ring. ChrisV, Tue Nov 21 7:07am
                      Well done Bob. This is something new I had never heard about. best, Chris
                  • Re: Sky King Tele-Blinker Decoder RingVince Garcia, Tue Nov 21 6:24am
                    I didn't say he was stupid. He was very intelligent, but not brilliant nor any kind of genius. And he certainly wasn't smart enough to employ advanced cryptography. And I think it would be a real... more
                    • Re: Sky King Tele-Blinker Decoder RingChrisV, Tue Nov 21 6:28am
                      I didnt say you said he was stupid. However, others on this forum have. I agree with everything you just said, theres probably nothing to this. But good to turn over every stone
              • Re: Sky King Tele-Blinker Decoder RingChrisV, Tue Nov 21 5:42am
                We might not be making process, but I do know your not as funny or clever as you think
                • ChrisPat, Tue Nov 21 12:11pm
                  Think you meant progress not process. And yes Dan is as clever and funny as he thinks. In fact more so than you will ever know.
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