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Vince Garcia
Re: Chris
Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:30am
2001:558:6012:3e:a01f:f375:bbc:9802

Has it occurred to you they may not want to let "just anybody" handling a priceless historical document; or that they don't want to just haul it out because someone asks to see it?

I suspect if Dan wanted to see it, they'd let HIM since he's the recognized world's top BC researcher. The rest of us, including Bob, aren't on the radar as far as they're concerned, most likely, and unworthy of being paid attention to. To them, we're just pesky hobbyists.

I don't see any reason to infer there's some big conspiracy going on,

And what if they destroy part of it and "test" it to find it was written a hundred years ago? What earthshaking revelation will that prove to be?

If the word of the Porter aboard the ship means anything, he was able to ID SD and Etta from 1902 but apparently did not see Butch, which meant Butch had to have been there before them, not that he went down in 1902 w/them, BTW (getting back, for a moment, to this ongoing issue of whether or not he was there in 1901).

Is that your whole issue w/this letter? It places him in South America so you need this letter to be a fake?

  • ChrisPat , Sun Nov 26 7:44pm
    Bob went last week and got the same run around.
    • Re: ChrisChrisV, Mon Nov 27 6:35am
      I don't think they have an original or it would be displayed.
      • re: ChrisBob Goodwin, Mon Nov 27 3:22pm
        Chris, you have been in that little reading room. Just where would they display it?? Secondly, why would they display t?? To them it is just one of thousands of documents that they store for... more
    • Re: Chris — Vince Garcia, Mon Nov 27 4:30am
      • VincePat, Mon Nov 27 10:28am
        Dan would stand a chance of a snowball in hell getting into that vault or it's contents. They don't recognize his as anything but a gentile.
        • Re: VinceVince Garcia, Mon Nov 27 10:45am
          So is this one of those "only a high-level Mormon official can gain entry" things?
          • re: VinceBob Goodwin, Mon Nov 27 3:24pm
            Actually, in my discussions with the librarians and curators, I think that at least half of the staff are not LDS.
      • Re: ChrisChrisV, Mon Nov 27 6:01am
        Vince, Not to be overly dramatic, but this document belongs to the people of Utah. If it exists, Bob, Brett, or myself should be able to see it. When I went, they acted dumb like the XEROX was all... more
        • re: ChrisBob Goodwin, Mon Nov 27 3:39pm
          Chris, First, of all, there are at least three different repositories that they use to store their collections. The most commonly used items are store on site, in the back room, so to speak. In other ... more
          • BobPat, Mon Nov 27 5:20pm
            Yeah but if Mitt Romney went in and asked for it they would bring it on a silver platter. They play favorites all the time .And other little games.
        • Re: ChrisVince Garcia, Mon Nov 27 8:43am
          YOU don't need it to be fake. That comment was a question to Pat who has this big theory that Butch never went to SA. SHE, if anyone, would need it to be fake because if it is not it hurts her theory
          • VincePat, Mon Nov 27 10:22am
            Now you're telling me what I think? Are you a mind reader? I don't know if Robert Leroy Parker went to SA or not. That's the whole point. Someone named James Ryan went . Whoever he was we don't know... more
            • Re: VinceVince Garcia, Mon Nov 27 2:46pm
              You've been saying this theory for years here! Sometimes, when someone finds out something, or points out something (as I did recently) that hurts it you back off slightly and equivocate, but you... more
          • Re: ChrisChrisV, Mon Nov 27 8:49am
            gotcha. :)
        • Re: ChrisDaniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 6:36am
          Chris, Here's the protocol. Historical documents held by archives are considered authenti...il established otherwise. That's not a theory, that's a protocol. The skeptic, the challenger, has to come... more
          • The LetterBob Goodwin, Mon Nov 27 4:08pm
            I didn't know that Joe Cocker was a Cassidy fan until I read the lyrics. Gimme a ticket for an aeroplane Ain't got time to take a fast train Lonely days are gone, I'm a-goin' home My Butch, he just-a ... more
            • Bob Pat, Mon Nov 27 5:22pm
              Does this mean Cocker and Cassidy were Gay? LOL
            • BobPat, Mon Nov 27 5:14pm
              I would never skewer you my old friend. In fact this makes more sense than anything I've read in a long while.Except the part about Harvey .
            • Re: The LetterDaniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 4:32pm
              Bob, you are a diplomat. Dan
          • And yetPat, Mon Nov 27 10:17am
            You ripped apart the Hot Springs museum because they had not tested or proven their holdings. Dan you are a great shape shifter. And let us not forget that the USHS also has holdings from KRB and... more
            • Re: And yetDaniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 10:28am
              Pat, So if I follow your, um, logic correctly, just because Kerry Ross Boren made stuff up, then Pat Schroeder is equally Munchausenesque? Is that how it works/ Dan
          • DanPat, Mon Nov 27 10:09am
            I won't even try to answer Vince as he is out to lunch and has no knowledge of the Mormon church or their holdings. However Dan let me ask you this. Why do you NOT believe Lula who said Butch came... more
            • Re: DanDaniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 10:26am
              Pat, you work under the assumption that if A is X, then B is X, or looking at it a different way, is A is not X then B is not X. Just because Lula made up the story of Cassidy's return does not mean... more
          • authenti...il established otherwiseDaniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 6:39am
            for some reason, the word "until" causes the OWR software to burp. Even when I reposted it in the subject line above, it created ellipses. Dan
      • Re: ChrisDaniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 5:35am
        Vince, the most likely reason that the Soldier Prince porter did not recognize a photo of Cassidy is that it was SK&EP who bought tickets and boarded the ship. The porter never saw Cassidy. I can't... more
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