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Mark Mszanski
An eye witness account regarding the Cassidy letter.
Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:35am

As per the the attached link there is an account which begins in the section ( Per the letter dates August 1902) regarding the Cassidy letter sent to the Davis family . - One has to scroll down to on the page which covers the Elzy Lay background ext and others in the family .


  • DanPat, Sun Nov 26 3:38pm
    As you know this is something I feel strongly about. I do not believe this letter is genuine. My reasons are this. There was no mention of this letter prior to Harvey Murdock supposedly finding it.... more
    • An eye witness account regarding the Cassidy letter. — Mark Mszanski, Mon Nov 27 6:35am
      • An eyewitness. :) Good find. Thanks Mark.
        • ChrisPat, Mon Nov 27 9:58am
          The eyewitness was Harvey . He can't witness his own fake letter.
          • Re: ChrisDaniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 10:17am
            Pat, Here's the quote: "The letter was dated August 2, 1902, and directed to a ;Mrs. Davis in Ashley, Utah. Written on lined note pad, it was beautiful handwriting. As a lad growing up, I often saw... more
            • DanPat, Mon Nov 27 1:31pm
              We will have to agree to disagree. I can't see how you can accept Harvey's word for anything. We don't know that he saw anything at 2 or 40 . It was just his story and I do not believe it .
              • Re: DanDaniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 1:54pm
                Pat, Harv Murdock and I corresponded for several years. I found him to be a straight-up fellow. But it's not just that I take his word on the letter, for the several reasons I listed in a previous... more
        • your welcome Mark Mszanski, Mon Nov 27 6:47am
    • Re: DanChrisV, Sun Nov 26 4:08pm
      Pat, I do have to say when Brett and I went to the Utah Historical Society, they seemed confused about ownership of an original and we were only given the standard XEROX copy. You would think it... more
      • ChrisPat , Sun Nov 26 7:44pm
        Bob went last week and got the same run around.
        • Re: ChrisChrisV, Mon Nov 27 6:35am
          I don't think they have an original or it would be displayed.
          • re: ChrisBob Goodwin, Mon Nov 27 3:22pm
            Chris, you have been in that little reading room. Just where would they display it?? Secondly, why would they display t?? To them it is just one of thousands of documents that they store for... more
        • Re: ChrisVince Garcia, Mon Nov 27 4:30am
          Has it occurred to you they may not want to let "just anybody" handling a priceless historical document; or that they don't want to just haul it out because someone asks to see it? I suspect if Dan... more
          • VincePat, Mon Nov 27 10:28am
            Dan would stand a chance of a snowball in hell getting into that vault or it's contents. They don't recognize his as anything but a gentile.
            • Re: VinceVince Garcia, Mon Nov 27 10:45am
              So is this one of those "only a high-level Mormon official can gain entry" things?
              • re: VinceBob Goodwin, Mon Nov 27 3:24pm
                Actually, in my discussions with the librarians and curators, I think that at least half of the staff are not LDS.
          • Re: ChrisChrisV, Mon Nov 27 6:01am
            Vince, Not to be overly dramatic, but this document belongs to the people of Utah. If it exists, Bob, Brett, or myself should be able to see it. When I went, they acted dumb like the XEROX was all... more
            • re: ChrisBob Goodwin, Mon Nov 27 3:39pm
              Chris, First, of all, there are at least three different repositories that they use to store their collections. The most commonly used items are store on site, in the back room, so to speak. In other ... more
              • BobPat, Mon Nov 27 5:20pm
                Yeah but if Mitt Romney went in and asked for it they would bring it on a silver platter. They play favorites all the time .And other little games.
            • Re: ChrisVince Garcia, Mon Nov 27 8:43am
              YOU don't need it to be fake. That comment was a question to Pat who has this big theory that Butch never went to SA. SHE, if anyone, would need it to be fake because if it is not it hurts her theory
              • VincePat, Mon Nov 27 10:22am
                Now you're telling me what I think? Are you a mind reader? I don't know if Robert Leroy Parker went to SA or not. That's the whole point. Someone named James Ryan went . Whoever he was we don't know... more
                • Re: VinceVince Garcia, Mon Nov 27 2:46pm
                  You've been saying this theory for years here! Sometimes, when someone finds out something, or points out something (as I did recently) that hurts it you back off slightly and equivocate, but you... more
              • Re: ChrisChrisV, Mon Nov 27 8:49am
                gotcha. :)
            • Re: ChrisDaniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 6:36am
              Chris, Here's the protocol. Historical documents held by archives are considered established otherwise. That's not a theory, that's a protocol. The skeptic, the challenger, has to come... more
              • The LetterBob Goodwin, Mon Nov 27 4:08pm
                I didn't know that Joe Cocker was a Cassidy fan until I read the lyrics. Gimme a ticket for an aeroplane Ain't got time to take a fast train Lonely days are gone, I'm a-goin' home My Butch, he just-a ... more
                • Bob Pat, Mon Nov 27 5:22pm
                  Does this mean Cocker and Cassidy were Gay? LOL
                • BobPat, Mon Nov 27 5:14pm
                  I would never skewer you my old friend. In fact this makes more sense than anything I've read in a long while.Except the part about Harvey .
                • Re: The LetterDaniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 4:32pm
                  Bob, you are a diplomat. Dan
              • And yetPat, Mon Nov 27 10:17am
                You ripped apart the Hot Springs museum because they had not tested or proven their holdings. Dan you are a great shape shifter. And let us not forget that the USHS also has holdings from KRB and... more
                • Re: And yetDaniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 10:28am
                  Pat, So if I follow your, um, logic correctly, just because Kerry Ross Boren made stuff up, then Pat Schroeder is equally Munchausenesque? Is that how it works/ Dan
              • DanPat, Mon Nov 27 10:09am
                I won't even try to answer Vince as he is out to lunch and has no knowledge of the Mormon church or their holdings. However Dan let me ask you this. Why do you NOT believe Lula who said Butch came... more
                • Re: DanDaniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 10:26am
                  Pat, you work under the assumption that if A is X, then B is X, or looking at it a different way, is A is not X then B is not X. Just because Lula made up the story of Cassidy's return does not mean... more
              • established otherwiseDaniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 6:39am
                for some reason, the word "until" causes the OWR software to burp. Even when I reposted it in the subject line above, it created ellipses. Dan
          • Re: ChrisDaniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 5:35am
            Vince, the most likely reason that the Soldier Prince porter did not recognize a photo of Cassidy is that it was SK&EP who bought tickets and boarded the ship. The porter never saw Cassidy. I can't... more
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