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ChrisV
March 23 1901
Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:14am
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If the outlaws arrived in Uruguay on the 23rd, how is it possible they could have booked a hotel and made a deposit of $12,000 on the same day some 126 miles away (distance from Montevideo to Buenos Aires. ) That is a long way to travel in one day and still make it to the bank before it closed. Maybe Im missing something? Im not buying the excuse that Dimaio would mix up dates. Below is Dan's detailed account of the trip.

"Assuming that our trio sailed on the Herminius, which departed New York 20 February 1901, they would have arrived in Buenos Aires late March.

A rough arrival chronology, cobbled together from Buenos Aires newspapers articles: The Herminius arrived at Montevideo, Uruguay, 23 March. It is possible that they got off there and took a ferry across the River Plate to Buenos Aires, as some passengers did, in order to save time. If they stayed on board, the Herminius left Montevideo the evening of 25 March and arrived Buenos Aires very early 26 March, whereupon it awaited a sanitary inspection. Thus the passengers disembarked at Buenos Aires 26 or perhaps 27 March.

The Pinkertons have the trio departing New York 20 February 1901, which supports the judgment that they sailed on the Herminius. Operative Frank Dimaio, in an undated report on his 1903 visit to Buenos Aires, said that
Sundance opened a bank account in Buenos Aires on 23 March 1901, giving his address as the Hotel Europa.

Taking all the information together and assuming that Dimaio got the bank account date correct, we can assume 23 March 1901 as the arrival in Buenos Aires.

Dan"

    • Re: March 23 1901Daniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 10:41am
      Chris, Operative qualification, "assuming that Dimaio got the bank account date correct." One explanation would be that he got the date wrong. Or, in the alternative, they arrived in Montevideo in... more
      • Re: March 23 1901ChrisV, Mon Nov 27 11:20am
        Not sure of trains in the area at the time. Maybe you would know.
        • Re: March 23 1901Daniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 11:24am
          I'm sorry -- trains what?
          • Re: March 23 1901ChrisV, Mon Nov 27 11:27am
            Perhaps they took a train? Im assuming it could be a possibility.
      • Re: March 23 1901ChrisV, Mon Nov 27 11:04am
        Dan, Lets give them the benefit that they disembarked at 12:00am of the 23rd. Ferries today can travel 29 miles per hour. Back in 1900, I doubt they did 5 mph (I know knots is the correct... more
      • Re: March 23 1901Daniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 10:56am
        Chris, I should have added that an Argentine researcher looking into Montevideo & BsAs shipping topics told me that it was not uncommon back then for passengers, rather than staying on the ship while ... more
        • Re: March 23 1901ChrisV, Mon Nov 27 11:10am
          If they came on the Bellarden, how could a porter on the Herminius ID SK and Etta? Not an option
          • Re: March 23 1901Vince Garcia, Mon Nov 27 11:27am
            It was the porter on the SOLDIER PRINCE who remembered SD and Etta. So Butch did not sail with them Point is, unless Butch had already been down in SA earlier, they would be unlikely to so early have ... more
          • Re: March 23 1901Daniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 11:20am
            Chris, I think you mixed up your ships, the Soldier Prince porter id'd SK&EP outgoing in 1902. The question of the Herminius vs. the Bellarden is based on the Pinkertons having reporting that they... more
            • Re: March 23 1901ChrisV, Mon Nov 27 11:49am
              I did mix up my ships :) According to Marks article, there is no reason to even bring the Herminius up as it arrived in Uruguay on March 24. Would obviously be impossible to deposit the money. That... more
              • Re: March 23 1901Daniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 12:00pm
                Chris, We know they arrived, either on the Herminius or the Bellarden, what is in question is the date the bank account opened. If Dimaio meant, say, 26 of March, either ship works. The Pinkertons... more
                • Re: March 23 1901ChrisV, Mon Nov 27 12:08pm
                  Unless further info arises, The Herminius has been eliminated. Im going to accept DImaio's date of March 23. best, Chris
                  • Correct on all assumptions Mark Mszanski, Tue Nov 28 6:52am
                    Based upon the ships stamps for arrival it seems Bellarden was the more likely ship at this time if the deposit date is correct. The only alternative is if the bank had offices at Montevideo but that ... more
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