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Daniel Buck
Re: March 23 1901
Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:20am


I think you mixed up your ships, the Soldier Prince porter id'd SK&EP outgoing in 1902.

The question of the Herminius vs. the Bellarden is based on the Pinkertons having reporting that they departed NYC 20 February 1901. The date the ships sailed and arrived varies with the newspaper, and even the definition of sailed is in question because NY was iced in.

All we can say is that they sailed on/about 20 Feb 1901, per the Pinkertons in NY, and arrived BsAs on/about 23 March 1901, per Pinkerton agent Frank Dimaio in BsAs. We are prisoners of the evidence we have.

To paraphrase John Joerschke, if you want certainty, write a novel. Dan

  • Re: March 23 1901ChrisV, Mon Nov 27 11:10am
    If they came on the Bellarden, how could a porter on the Herminius ID SK and Etta? Not an option
    • Re: March 23 1901Vince Garcia, Mon Nov 27 11:27am
      It was the porter on the SOLDIER PRINCE who remembered SD and Etta. So Butch did not sail with them Point is, unless Butch had already been down in SA earlier, they would be unlikely to so early have ... more
    • Re: March 23 1901 — Daniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 11:20am
      • Re: March 23 1901ChrisV, Mon Nov 27 11:49am
        I did mix up my ships :) According to Marks article, there is no reason to even bring the Herminius up as it arrived in Uruguay on March 24. Would obviously be impossible to deposit the money. That... more
        • Re: March 23 1901Daniel Buck, Mon Nov 27 12:00pm
          Chris, We know they arrived, either on the Herminius or the Bellarden, what is in question is the date the bank account opened. If Dimaio meant, say, 26 of March, either ship works. The Pinkertons... more
          • Re: March 23 1901ChrisV, Mon Nov 27 12:08pm
            Unless further info arises, The Herminius has been eliminated. Im going to accept DImaio's date of March 23. best, Chris
            • Correct on all assumptions Mark Mszanski, Tue Nov 28 6:52am
              Based upon the ships stamps for arrival it seems Bellarden was the more likely ship at this time if the deposit date is correct. The only alternative is if the bank had offices at Montevideo but that ... more
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