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ChrisV
Re: Enrique or H.A. Place
Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:11pm
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You would think they would sign the government documents with proper names i.e.. Harry A. Place, James P. Ryan. They don't. Going through the government document signatures they sign randomly:
Enrique Place and Santiago Ryan
HA Place
Santiago Ryan
Harry Place and Santiago Ryan
Enrique Place and Santiago Ryan
HA Place and JP Ryan

This is not adding up.

  • Re: Enrique or H.A. PlaceChrisV, Tue Nov 28 10:33am
    Names in chronological order. Whether from eyewitness accounts or documents they signed.They seem to be confused which names to go by lol. Something thats bugging me, if SK deposited money as Harry... more
    • Re: Enrique or H.A. Place — ChrisV, Tue Nov 28 12:11pm
      • 2 +2 =5neglib, Tue Nov 28 2:02pm
        I'm sure it makes total sense to some. After all, if it's in a museum it must be real.
        • Re: 2 +2 =5KikiV, Tue Nov 28 3:07pm
          lol yes. Good Point Brett. You still want to go by Brett don't you?
      • Re: Enrique or H.A. PlaceVince Garcia, Tue Nov 28 2:01pm
        chris--You do realize Santiago is the equivalent of the name James in Spanish?
        • Re: Enrique or H.A. PlaceChrisV, Wed Nov 29 5:34am
          It seems as historians we generally call them James Ryan and Harry Place when in SA. There is no document where they both sign as that. Ive never seen a SK where he signs Harry at all. Its HA or... more
        • Re: Enrique or H.A. PlaceChrisV, Tue Nov 28 2:26pm
          Vince, Yes. Did you know my name is Kiki in Hawaiian? When I sign official documents half the time I call myself Chris and sometimes I go by Kiki. Once in awhile, I like to go by C. V. just to mix... more
          • Re: Enrique or H.A. PlaceVince Garcia, Tue Nov 28 3:42pm
            I regularly have issues when I give the name Vince instead of Vincent w/some entities when i call up for some issue
            • Re: Enrique or H.A. PlaceChrisV, Tue Nov 28 3:49pm
              Vince....my point exactly. It would be silly to do this on government docs. You already are on the lamb and have an alias that you want people to believe as you want to stay in the area for awhile... more
              • Re: Enrique or H.A. PlaceVince Garcia, Tue Nov 28 5:52pm
                I am stretching my memory here and could well be wrong, but I seem to recall at times Butch allegedly claimed to be a native, hence the Spanish name. Dan can correct me if I'm wrong
                • Re: Enrique or H.A. PlaceChrisV, Tue Nov 28 6:00pm
                  Interesting. Id think that would be hard to pull off not speaking fluent Spanish or none at all. I would also think that a native name such as Enrique or Santiago would be earned as they made friends ... more
                  • Enrique - Jacob - James - etc Mark Mszanski, Wed Nov 29 6:51am
                    Enrique or Harry ( or Henry ) - Santiago or Jacob or James - Would be the literal translations and would be the names they were called in Spanish by the natives . As well, Mrs. H.A Place was known to ... more
                  • Re: Enrique or H.A. PlaceVince Garcia, Wed Nov 29 2:45am
                    Come out here and I'll show you people "native" to California who can't speak more than a smattering of english. But there were english and german speaking communities down there one could be raised... more
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