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ChrisV
Re: adding up
Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:19am
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Dan,
People are known by nicknames with friends or family. On government documents they go by their official names. Since Butch and SK wanted to be known by their aliases i.e. James Ryan and Harry Place, thats what would make the most sense. Especially in their first year there. By year 1904 and beyond maybe they earned the right to be called Santiago and Enrique.

I agree with you there were some people in the 19th and 20th century who signed with their first initial. Abraham Lincoln for the most part signed his name A. Lincoln and a few times did sign Abraham Lincoln. I havent found evidence where he ever signed with a self given nickname like "Honest Abe" Lincoln. George Custer, from my short research signed his name GA Custer and not George. I can't find evidence of signing with the nickname "Indian killer" Custer. William Cody did sign WF Cody along with his nickname Buffalo Bill. Im quite sure William Cody did not sign as Buffalo Bill on government docs. I could go through the rest of your list one by one, but don't see the point.

I dont agree that people going to another country immediately go by native names. Yesterday I was asking people who had gone on foreign LDS missions if they were referred to in a native name at any time and all of them said not in the beginning. Some did say towards the end it happened occasionally.

LOL Ill bet you like the name jefe. And Ill bet you had to earn that nickname. You didnt just show up and people called you that, unless you hired them, which is a different scenario than the one we are discussing.

best,
Chris







  • adding upDaniel Buck, Wed Nov 29 6:27am
    Chris, there is nothing unusual about any of the "not adding up" items you offered. They do add up, that is, they make sense. People are often known by different names or nicknames, usually... more
    • Correct DanPat, Wed Nov 29 9:44am
      Or should I say D J Buck .On this forum alone we have V G Garcia, P.H.Schroeder, Ghost Town Bob, and a slew of nicknames . I have always used P.H. everywhere and especially legal documents. On FB you ... more
      • Re: Correct DanDaniel Buck, Wed Nov 29 10:00am
        Pat, That is the case in most families. I had an aunt who converted all her nephew's names into some sort of Latinate language, Josef, Roberto, Lorenzo, and so on. Signatures are the same. Not only... more
      • Don't forget Helen ShepherdChrisV, Wed Nov 29 9:51am
        Im sure your daughter goes by Moose on government documents right?
        • Well ChrisPat, Wed Nov 29 11:34am
          Since you have no clue as to who I am or was I will try to enlighten you if that's at all possible. Shepherd was my former married name. I legally through the courts and SS took back my former name... more
          • Re: Well ChrisChrisV, Wed Nov 29 11:43am
            Sorry to hear that your Helen S. email got hacked. Who did you say hacked it again? Sorry you feel that way about Utah.
            • It's notPat, Wed Nov 29 12:13pm
              how I feel about Utah. It's just plain facts and documents that anyone can look up. But then you aren't a genealogist either.
              • Re: It's notChrisV, Wed Nov 29 12:24pm
                "Plain facts." I Ilke that. Your "plain facts" and Dan's documents are about the same thing lol Any time you want to bet "half of Utah has one man married to numerous women with separate surnames and ... more
                • Chris give it up pleasePat, Wed Nov 29 1:15pm
                  I realize you are upset with me because I refused to forward you my private emails from Dan. Then you rudely wanted me to will all my research to you when I die . LOL. Then you wanted Vince's email... more
    • Re: adding upChrisV, Wed Nov 29 7:46am
      Speaking of not adding up How about the May 1, 1905 document and the April 19, 1905 document. Roughly two weeks apart, but have different signatures, different handwriting and both from the same... more
      • Re: adding upDaniel Buck, Wed Nov 29 12:39pm
        Chris, aside from Cassidy signing one J.P. Ryan and the other Santiago Ryan, they look comparable to me, and comparable to his 29 Feb 1904 letter to Dan Gibbon.
        • Re: adding upChrisV, Wed Nov 29 12:44pm
          Thanks for answering me. Not trying to be smart, but Id look a little harder at the handwriting overall. Look at "Dan Gibbon" in both these documents. An easy one to spot.
          • Re: adding upDaniel Buck, Wed Nov 29 12:58pm
            Chris, The two Dan Gibbon's a comparable, with some difference in the two Ds. If the handwriting was absolutely identical, that would be worthy of comment . No two specimens from the same person are... more
            • Re: adding upChrisV, Wed Nov 29 1:13pm
              Dan Sorry, but I disagree with you. Not just the D's. Look at the bb and the n. It is not the same style. With all due respect, these excuses are not going to cut it any longer. Handwriting experts,... more
              • giving up Ethel for the causeDaniel Buck, Wed Nov 29 1:38pm
                Chris, while you are at it, try my little experiment, and show the results to your friends.. I just wrote out Dan Gibbon's name several times quickly, pencil on paper. Lots of variations. Then I... more
    • Re: adding up — ChrisV, Wed Nov 29 7:19am
      • Re: adding upDaniel Buck, Wed Nov 29 9:51am
        Chris, just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't add up. It just might mean you don't understand it. What we have here is another example of something that actually... more
        • Re: adding upChrisV, Wed Nov 29 9:59am
          Dan, Im asking a legitimate question. How about the May 1, 1905 document and the April 19, 1905 document. Roughly two weeks apart, but have different signatures, different handwriting and both from... more
          • Re: adding upDaniel Buck, Wed Nov 29 10:02am
            What documents exactly? Dan
            • Re: adding upChrisV, Wed Nov 29 10:13am
              They are in the "Leaving Cholila" article April 19, 1905 note from Ryan asking Clarke to give order to Dan Gibbon May 1, 1905 Ryan assigned 285.44 peso debt to his friend Dan Gibbon
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