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Vince Garcia
Re: Sundance after Wilcox
Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:32am

It's always dangerous to use the word :"know"

But I think we have good attestation by Frackelton's report that he wound up at the Thermop. area and Anderson's.

Then there's that weird tale about SD maybe driving 13 horses thru Utah and into Colorado to his cousin's. So perhaps he stays in Cortez for a while.

Now based on what the kid we dealt with recently said about being taught how to shoot by Butch and SD at Alma, coupled w/Cunningham's claim, he seems to be hanging in the Alma area by late 1899, and I would posit this is where he and Butch grow closer and start forming the notion of leaving the US together.

Past that, there is a claim that in winter of 1900 SD and Logan were in Malta where SD shot his mouth off about being a robber so he may have traveled north if that claim is true, but you also have to give him time to work at the WS, which French seemed to claim

SD is kind of off the radar until the setup for Winnemucca

I see no reason to have serious doubt he was Frank Scramble.

  • Sundance after WilcoxBob Goodwin, Wed Nov 29 5:56pm
    So, what do we know about what Sundance was doing after the Wilcox robbery in 1899 and the Winnemucca Robbery of 1900? Did he go back to work for the N-N? Was he Frank Scramble in Texas?
    • Re: Sundance after Wilcox — Vince Garcia, Thu Nov 30 3:32am
      • FreckletonBob Goodwin, Sat Dec 2 11:27am
        So you are saying that by June 11th Sundance is spotted at Thermopolis and the Anderson hog far along with Logan. They then go to Montana to split the loot, I guess their share with Bob lee and... more
        • Re: FreckletonVince Garcia, Tue Dec 5 7:44am
          I can't absolutely say they did the split in MT. They could have done it in Wyoming. That view comes from probably Smokov, whose word i generally accept on Logan On the 11th they rejoin and are still ... more
          • Frank ScrambleBob Goodwin, Tue Dec 5 3:34pm
            Vince, I know we discussed Frank Scramble a while back, but I don't think any firm conclusions were made. Dan indicated that it may have been William Webb that put the words Frank Scramble in... more
            • Re: Frank ScrambleVince Garcia, Wed Dec 6 10:04am
              No description that that I know of. But--going by Lee's claims as smokov writes-- "he said he knew a second robber as frank scramble who had escaped jail with harvey logan and a mulatto prisoner in... more
      • 1899 to 1900 for SKMark Mszanski, Thu Nov 30 7:04am
        Bob and Vince - Tracking SK in 1899 and 1900 is a curious subject. For many of us. Maybe for researchers trying to nail down how he met EP and exactly where to my mind. Vince - You bring up some... more
        • Mark this is interestingPat, Thu Nov 30 10:37am
          I have never given up on Minnie Brown. In 1911 she did make a trip to MT as her brother Miller had been arrested and put in prison there.Miller and Minnie were in Buffalo ,WY in 1900.Miller had... more
          • AddingMark Mszanski, Thu Nov 30 12:14pm
            The letter was found among the belongings of a nun who was a friend and doing research on Wyoming and Outlaws . I believe you know who this was. It is believed that Minnie was convinced to come clean ... more
            • It's amazingPat, Thu Nov 30 12:31pm
              I had found reference to the mss you speak of by Sister Norena Krass . Her brother was the priest in Thermop and she summered there. It took me 11 years to finally locate her original thesis in... more
              • Nope Mark Mszanski, Thu Nov 30 1:33pm
                Pat I did not get it from there . The Hot Springs Museum has it via donation from the nun and her papers I believe through the priest. I had reached out to the UP Museum like 5 times to get Minnie's... more
                • MarkPat, Thu Nov 30 2:02pm
                  It doesn't matter. I am done dealing with Godless Soulless people. Being a long range planner I had waited for several years now to see what would be done with what I gave Mike and others. I held... more
                  • Mark Pat, Fri Dec 1 1:55pm
                    Mark and all of you I have to apologize for going off the rails yesterday. I was having an utterly horrible day with everything going wrong all at once. Plus no sleep.Lots of pain. So very sorry! And ... more
                    • Peace Mark Mszanski, Fri Dec 1 4:08pm
                      Pat - Hope today is better for you . Sincerely,
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