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Mark Mszanski
1899 to 1900 for SK
Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:04am
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Bob and Vince -

Tracking SK in 1899 and 1900 is a curious subject. For many of us. Maybe for researchers trying to nail down how he met EP and exactly where to my mind.
Vince - You bring up some interesting topics unheard or at least I cannot recall discussing on the forum.

I had tried to get a understanding of his whereabouts early on in 1900 as I had thought it would lead me to places she could have been from outside of the obvious Fort Worth or San Antonio areas. I did know there was evidence of him being in the Snake River and Thermop area via Frackelton and other authors.( have to dig for this but believe Buck and Meadows and Others had him there . ) They had then got Cassidy and Longabaugh as far as a rail head in Colorado
whereby Longabaugh turned over his Winchester for some reason to a friend as I recall . BC and SK then take a train to Fort Worth best I can tell. Now they could have rode from the rail head but one would have to track as to whether that rail head was moving trains down to Fort Worth at that time or via connections.

I had also been intrigued by Minnie Browns Movements ( yes Minnie Brown ) LOL - in the later part of 1909 through 1912. I only say this as she goes on several trips which are a little weird for no reason after shooting her husband. She does go to Globe Arizona and then to SF. Kind of strange. I have also received a letter which was sent to the Union Pacific Railroad President _ (Carl Raymond Gray ) by Minnie V Brown dated March 30 , 1933- I have the response of Mr Gray to Minnie Brown which is very revealing . I will net it out - I can post the entire letter later today ( I have con calls all day or I can send a copy )
Minnie is for some reason coming clean in the last decade of her life . She has Virginia Bridger post death items which she is donating to the Union Pacific
(Minnie took Virginia Hahn Bridger in who was the daughter of Jim Bridger - Long story but please refer to Mrs, Hahn Bridger as the deceased and a famous woman in Western History ) - I digress - --Minnie states to Mr Grey that she is in possession of several stolen watches from a Union Pacific Robbery in 1899 or 1900 . It was the practice of the UP Railroad executives to respond to letters and inquiries personally I found out.
Mr Gray States back to her - " In answer to your separate note about the watches which you state were part of the loot taken from a Union Pacific train, presumably when it was held up in 1899 or 1900: I will be glad to know and I will assuredly hold in strict confidence , the circumstances under which these items came into your possession. It many be possible at this late date to locate the owners of these watches but the department having charge of that class of records may be able to turn them up. Again , thank you for your courtesy in writing me. Respectively yours, CR Gray

OK - TMI here I know - But tracking the Kid and also I was trying to get a bead on Minnie's movements given the fact she had a De Young Photo per my story - Every little bit counts as Donna Donnell says - Just one more piece to the puzzle. -- Peace -

  • Re: Sundance after WilcoxVince Garcia, Thu Nov 30 3:32am
    It's always dangerous to use the word :"know" But I think we have good attestation by Frackelton's report that he wound up at the Thermop. area and Anderson's. Then there's that weird tale about SD... more
    • FreckletonBob Goodwin, Sat Dec 2 11:27am
      So you are saying that by June 11th Sundance is spotted at Thermopolis and the Anderson hog far along with Logan. They then go to Montana to split the loot, I guess their share with Bob lee and... more
      • Re: FreckletonVince Garcia, Tue Dec 5 7:44am
        I can't absolutely say they did the split in MT. They could have done it in Wyoming. That view comes from probably Smokov, whose word i generally accept on Logan On the 11th they rejoin and are still ... more
        • Frank ScrambleBob Goodwin, Tue Dec 5 3:34pm
          Vince, I know we discussed Frank Scramble a while back, but I don't think any firm conclusions were made. Dan indicated that it may have been William Webb that put the words Frank Scramble in... more
          • Re: Frank ScrambleVince Garcia, Wed Dec 6 10:04am
            No description that that I know of. But--going by Lee's claims as smokov writes-- "he said he knew a second robber as frank scramble who had escaped jail with harvey logan and a mulatto prisoner in... more
    • 1899 to 1900 for SK — Mark Mszanski, Thu Nov 30 7:04am
      • Mark this is interestingPat, Thu Nov 30 10:37am
        I have never given up on Minnie Brown. In 1911 she did make a trip to MT as her brother Miller had been arrested and put in prison there.Miller and Minnie were in Buffalo ,WY in 1900.Miller had... more
        • AddingMark Mszanski, Thu Nov 30 12:14pm
          The letter was found among the belongings of a nun who was a friend and doing research on Wyoming and Outlaws . I believe you know who this was. It is believed that Minnie was convinced to come clean ... more
          • It's amazingPat, Thu Nov 30 12:31pm
            I had found reference to the mss you speak of by Sister Norena Krass . Her brother was the priest in Thermop and she summered there. It took me 11 years to finally locate her original thesis in... more
            • Nope Mark Mszanski, Thu Nov 30 1:33pm
              Pat I did not get it from there . The Hot Springs Museum has it via donation from the nun and her papers I believe through the priest. I had reached out to the UP Museum like 5 times to get Minnie's... more
              • MarkPat, Thu Nov 30 2:02pm
                It doesn't matter. I am done dealing with Godless Soulless people. Being a long range planner I had waited for several years now to see what would be done with what I gave Mike and others. I held... more
                • Mark Pat, Fri Dec 1 1:55pm
                  Mark and all of you I have to apologize for going off the rails yesterday. I was having an utterly horrible day with everything going wrong all at once. Plus no sleep.Lots of pain. So very sorry! And ... more
                  • Peace Mark Mszanski, Fri Dec 1 4:08pm
                    Pat - Hope today is better for you . Sincerely,
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