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Pat
For the hundredth time
Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:50pm
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Elzy was in NM and a little busy with another train robbery . He was in prison in by 1900. He got out in 1906. Came up to Baggs with George Musgrave and a bunch of money he retrieved from somewhere in NM, old Mexico or ? He spent only a year 1910 in Thermop at the bar and where he married. He then moved 30 miles south to Shoshoni where he remained until 1919 . He had hooked up with his outlaw friends again and Mary left him for Calif . He came to Lander to his outlaw friend John (Jack) Henry and stayed overnight .The next morning he dug up a bag of loot . This is presumably the money supposedly buried from the robbery in Montpelier I think. In any case Bub Meeks was in on it plus the Gould store in Ft Bridger. Jack snitched on his 2 friends and left for Lander without paying his bail. They never came looking for him.How and why Elzy knew of this loot being buried on Jack Henry's place is a mystery.Jack was from Vernal and had come to Lander in 1880's and married a Davis girl whose family was also from Vernal. Hyrum Beebe was also related by marriage to these 2 families. Descendants still live here to this day. It could have been from any robbery.. He then left to see his father and then went to Calif where he remained until he died. He left his son a bunch of Gold coins and jewelry which was passed down in the family. Some of the jewelry is still in their possession .Amethyst earrings and ring .

Elzy was not in on the Wilcox .

  • Possible Mark Mszanski, Wed Dec 20 4:56pm
    Vince - Was Elzy in the robbery? - He was in Themop post jail in 1906 and got married there as I recall - I don't believe he stayed long - Opened up a bar according to the newspapers in Thermop - But ... more
    • For the hundredth time — Pat, Wed Dec 20 9:50pm
      • re: the hundredth timeBob Goodwin, Thu Dec 21 5:57am
        I agree with Pat. Lay was nowhere close to the Wilcox robbery. He was busy in Cimarron, Ne Mexico with Sam Ketchum, Will Carver, Red Weaver, and probably Joe chancellor planning the Folsom robbery.... more
        • Bob, let's choke this chickenPat, Thu Dec 21 9:02am
          As many of you know Bob and I have worked privately for many many years. Hopefully some day he will publish it all. And today let's blow up some myths . There was no Wild Bunch per se. That was... more
          • Robert and Harry were long-time friendsBrian Mida Bleecker, Thu Dec 21 7:03pm
            Pat, The New Evidence proves that Robert Parker and Harry Longabaugh were close associates by June of 1889. They likely met in 1885 or 1886 in Southwest Colorado, while Harry lived and worked at his... more
            • No ProofBob Goodwin, Fri Dec 22 5:57am
              Brian, "New Evidence" is no proof at all, just that two random men had their picture taken together in the late 1800s. Nothing on the photo or where it was found gives evidence other than that. Now... more
              • Re: No ProofDaniel Buck, Fri Dec 22 1:21pm
                Bob, as well, the idea that Cassidy and Longabaugh might have met in the 1880s is not "new evidence" either. Donna Ernst first raised the idea 25 years ago, in Sundance My Uncle (1992) and repeated... more
                • Re: No ProofVince Garcia, Fri Dec 22 5:46pm
                  "None of this, as you point out, has any real bearing on Brian Meda Bleecker's photograph, which anyone this side of Helen Keller can tell does not depict Cassidy and Sundance. Dan" Haha, for some... more
                • Crook County not Cook.Pat, Fri Dec 22 2:54pm
                  Crook Co is in extreme northeast WY on Mt border. Butch was in Fremont Co hundreds of miles away in 1888 .Tax records prove where Butch was at.
                  • Re: Crook County not Cook.Daniel Buck, Sat Dec 23 10:39am
                    Par, thanks, that was my typo. Is the Fremont tax record 1889 or 1888? Dan
                    • Taxes paidPat, Sat Dec 23 10:48am
                      the 1889 tax is listed in 1890 records for previous year. But other records show him listed in Fremont Co in 1888. He had purchased cattle and horses and he also is listed in store receipts for... more
    • Re: Possible Vince Garcia, Wed Dec 20 5:48pm
      There is a debate as to whether he was, or in NM. I believe he may have been on the periphery of the robbery, but not at the train itself. IOW, in the group that hid out at the Burnaugh ranch. No... more
      • slept threw it ? Mark Mszanski, Wed Dec 20 7:38pm
        Vince - Agreed - A little strange - " Oh its just the Wild Bunch , Don't worry--- all they will hit is the safe " - "Go back to sleep Dorothy " The Tipton inventory as an example , ( maybe 30 watches ... more
        • Re: slept threw it ? Vince Garcia, Thu Dec 21 3:23am
          No, watches seem to have been shipped regularly for some reason. They didn't rob passengers, though the dynamite man at Wilcox said he wanted to (but had no time)
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