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Juha
Re: End of the Road by Buck & Meadows
Sun Jan 7, 2018 6:50am
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Very good read, and perhaps I'm bit of a sad person but I was chuckling at the mental picture of bright red corduroy suits and hat brims tied down to cheeks in order to cover the faces leaving only eyes visible.

I thought Butch and Sundance made a grave tactical mistake heading north after the final robbery instead of south to Argentina, also Butch being very quick to fire the first shot thus escalating events beyond no return as if he'd had enough.

  • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsDaniel Buck, Fri Jan 5 6:40am
    Thanks, Juha. It's a revised, English-language version of "Al final del camino: Butch Cassidy y Sundance Kid en Bolivia, Fuentes (La Paz) vol. 10, no. 46, October 2016. Also, has a few more... more
    • Re: End of the Road by Buck & Meadows — Juha, Sun Jan 7 6:50am
      • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsDaniel Buck, Sun Jan 7 9:17am
        Juha, Carlos Pero described the bandits as wearing "dark-red, thin-wale corduroy suits," not "bright red." That at first surprised us, but we chiefly know the 19th and early 20 century via black &... more
        • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsDaniel Buck, Sun Jan 7 6:21pm
          Juha, what I meant was that the dark-red corduroy suits surprised us, but apparently clothes back then were more colorful than is generally imagined. A colleague dug up a comment from Oscar Wilde's... more
      • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsDaniel Buck, Sun Jan 7 8:58am
        Juha, Thanks. Yes, their escape route is a puzzler. We have speculated that because, per the A.G. Francis account, an military patrol was heading their way, towards their camp outside of Tupiza, that ... more
        • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsVince Garcia, Sun Jan 7 1:10pm
          DAn--what was their probable intention the following day? I presumed it was to continue on into Chile. I know they asked about Santa Catalina and Uyuni, but figgered that was a distraction
          • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsDaniel Buck, Sun Jan 7 2:46pm
            Vince, Hard to say. We surmised maybe Oruro, although a chancy destination because the route up to there would take them through more populated areas, but a city with a large foreign population,... more
            • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsVince Garcia, Sun Jan 7 3:38pm
              This much I surmise: Butch wanted to bypass the town, and SD insisted they go in, which got them killed, the basis for their arguing at the end, and Butch shooting SD. Can't know for sure, of course, ... more
              • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsDaniel Buck, Sun Jan 7 4:44pm
                Vince, I would not go that far, in that they were high in the bare Andean plateau -- above 14,000 feet -- and poorly clothed to spent the night outdoors, and more importantly in need of fodder and... more
                • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsVince Garcia, Sun Jan 7 5:04pm
                  Yes, I know it would have been cold, but keep in mind these were guys who had endured the open of the range, which can get bone chilling cold, even killing cold. They knew how to deal w/camping in... more
                  • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsDaniel Buck, Sun Jan 7 5:21pm
                    Vince, Well, aside from shelter & food for themselves -- assuming one considers beer & sardines food (it was still a staple in stores in the Andes when I lived there in the 1960s) -- they needed... more
                • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsVince Garcia, Sun Jan 7 5:00pm
                  But even if they had spent the night and left the next morning, wouldn't they have wound up in the open by the next night? Of course, I don't know the terrain, but you might be able to speak to this... more
                  • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsDaniel Buck, Sun Jan 7 5:59pm
                    Vince, I think the better answer is still that water & fodder for the mules was more important, and determined where they went and camped. That area of SW Bolivia, more precisely SW Potosi Department ... more
                • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsChrisV, Sun Jan 7 4:53pm
                  Wasn't there only a one inch difference between Butch and Sundance? 5'9''(Butch) vs 5'10''(Sundance) Not sure they got who you think they did lol
        • Doesn't matterPat, Sun Jan 7 11:17am
          It's all smoke and mirrors. Lies that you can't publish in the US so bury it in some obscure place in the UK. Good move.
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