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Daniel Buck
Re: End of the Road by Buck & Meadows
Sun Jan 7, 2018 2:46pm
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Vince,
Hard to say. We surmised maybe Oruro, although a chancy destination because the route up to there would take them through more populated areas, but a city with a large foreign population, where they could be less noticiable. Also, Sundance had lived there. Still, chancy. Two armed Yankees pulling an Aramayo mule pretty much stick out like a sore thumb.

Why they didn't slip over the Chilean border & head down to Antofagasta, I know not. That's what I would have done. Of course, it's possible that they intended to go west to Chile after leaving San Vicente the morning of 7 November. We'll never know. Dan

  • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsVince Garcia, Sun Jan 7 1:10pm
    DAn--what was their probable intention the following day? I presumed it was to continue on into Chile. I know they asked about Santa Catalina and Uyuni, but figgered that was a distraction
    • Re: End of the Road by Buck & Meadows — Daniel Buck, Sun Jan 7 2:46pm
      • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsVince Garcia, Sun Jan 7 3:38pm
        This much I surmise: Butch wanted to bypass the town, and SD insisted they go in, which got them killed, the basis for their arguing at the end, and Butch shooting SD. Can't know for sure, of course, ... more
        • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsDaniel Buck, Sun Jan 7 4:44pm
          Vince, I would not go that far, in that they were high in the bare Andean plateau -- above 14,000 feet -- and poorly clothed to spent the night outdoors, and more importantly in need of fodder and... more
          • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsVince Garcia, Sun Jan 7 5:04pm
            Yes, I know it would have been cold, but keep in mind these were guys who had endured the open of the range, which can get bone chilling cold, even killing cold. They knew how to deal w/camping in... more
            • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsDaniel Buck, Sun Jan 7 5:21pm
              Vince, Well, aside from shelter & food for themselves -- assuming one considers beer & sardines food (it was still a staple in stores in the Andes when I lived there in the 1960s) -- they needed... more
              • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsVince Garcia, Sun Jan 7 5:55pm
                Food/water for the mules (and them) makes sense assuming they had none and/or could not get any except to stop in SV
                • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsDaniel Buck, Sun Jan 7 6:08pm
                  Vince, there is such a thing as over-thinking what happened, because it did happen, or as they say, WYSIWYG -- a computer world acronym re-purposed from a Flip Wilson tag line, what you see is what... more
                  • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsVince Garcia, Mon Jan 8 4:45am
                    But moving past the one obvious point about need of food, we are still left with a psychological issue that has a great bearing on the events that night: In Butch's last moments he appears to be... more
                    • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsDaniel Buck, Mon Jan 8 4:55am
                      Vince, Maybe it was something akin to the DeNiro--Grodin meltdown in Midnight Run, "you didn't know I was lying to you when you lied to me down by the river. So as far as you knew, you lied to me... more
          • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsVince Garcia, Sun Jan 7 5:00pm
            But even if they had spent the night and left the next morning, wouldn't they have wound up in the open by the next night? Of course, I don't know the terrain, but you might be able to speak to this... more
            • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsDaniel Buck, Sun Jan 7 5:59pm
              Vince, I think the better answer is still that water & fodder for the mules was more important, and determined where they went and camped. That area of SW Bolivia, more precisely SW Potosi Department ... more
          • Re: End of the Road by Buck & MeadowsChrisV, Sun Jan 7 4:53pm
            Wasn't there only a one inch difference between Butch and Sundance? 5'9''(Butch) vs 5'10''(Sundance) Not sure they got who you think they did lol
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