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Daniel Buck
Re: The two girls at Robbers Roost
Fri Feb 2, 2018 9:58am
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Vince,
rather than rehashing all the details -- he named the leader of the gang "Tom McCarthy [sic]" -- Tom McCarty was by 1899 long gone from the area; he identified Cassidy as a Roman Catholic; etc. -- it would be better to read Pocock for yourself.

My conclusion was that he tarted up* his account with things he learned from newspapers or people he bumped into, thus proving that "imagination is the soul of journalism," at least in his case. But -- in his defense -- he never said in so many words that he entered Robbers Roost or met Cassidy. It was some of his readers who inferred that.

Pocock later wrote a book about Robbers Roost, Curly. Naturally, it's a novel.. Dan

*inserted just for Bob.

  • Re: The two girls at Robbers RoostVince Garcia, Fri Feb 2 9:37am
    I think not claiming he met BC is a point for him. Were he making up a yarn, BC would be the first name he'd put down. But also, as I noted, a rancher claimed the place was abandoned just before... more
    • Re: The two girls at Robbers Roost — Daniel Buck, Fri Feb 2 9:58am
      • Re: The two girls at Robbers RoostVince Garcia, Fri Feb 2 12:25pm
        My main interest is the two girls. Assuming he heard the story from locals (who may have had semi-accurate info), he may be pinning down where they may have come from, which is valuable knowledge for ... more
        • The Women of Robbers RoostBob Goodwin, Sat Feb 3 8:36am
          Vince, There are four, possibly six women (girls) that were associated with Robbers Roost. Two Women (girls) from Castle Valley were mentioned as being at the Roost early in 1897, and are the ones... more
          • Re: The Women of Robbers RoostDaniel Buck, Sat Feb 3 9:25am
            Bob, Thanks. Both your posts this morning are excellent. Do you know any of the women you mentioned were either in the newspapers or known in, say, Monticello, at the time Pocock was coming through?... more
            • re: the Women of Robbers RoostBob Goodwin, Sat Feb 3 11:43am
              Dan, Ella Butler had left the Roost area around the time of the Springville Bank Robbery. In later life she used the name Florence in California where she was living after 1920. In 1898 Mont Butler,... more
            • re: the Women of Robbers RoostBob Goodwin, Sat Feb 3 11:17am
              Dan, Ella Butler had left the Roost area around the time of the Springville Bank Robbery. In later life she used the name Florence in California where she was living after 1920. In 1898 Mont Butler,... more
              • re: the Women of Robbers RoostDaniel Buck, Sat Feb 3 12:02pm
                Bob, Thanks. Much appreciated. Your several posts are granular in the best sense of the word. Pocock, p. 289, blends two sets of women into one compound sentence: "The house is cheered by the... more
        • Robbers Roost in 1899Bob Goodwin, Sat Feb 3 7:24am
          In spite of Dan's humorous reply, Robbers Roost in 1899 was about as Pocock described it; whether he was actually there or got his information second hand. The Roost by the fall or late summer of... more
        • Re: The two girls at Robbers RoostDaniel Buck, Fri Feb 2 12:48pm
          Vince, here's a question, when we say -- or Pocock says -- Robbers Roost, what are we really talking about. How big an area, smallest to largest estimates? Second, could he not have wandered into the ... more
          • Re: The two girls at Robbers RoostVince Garcia, Fri Feb 2 2:15pm
            That may be true. In fact, he may never have gone further than camp out at the Flattops. What's important to me is the lore about the two girls' place of origin he may have gotten from locals,... more
            • The FlattopsBob Goodwin, Sat Feb 3 6:44am
              Vince, The Flattops are a good fifteen miles north of the Roost in the middle of the San Rafael Desert. To get there from Monticello would mean taking the northern route to Green River and back down. ... more
            • Re: The two girls at Robbers RoostDaniel Buck, Sat Feb 3 5:06am
              Vince, Read Pocock's Following the Frontier (1903), "The Trail of the Outlaw," but only if you are a glutton for confusion. The chief moment of clarity is p. 287, where he says that he arrived in... more
              • The trail to Robbers RoostBob Goodwin, Sat Feb 3 6:39am
                Here is the full quote from page 289 (Roger Pocock "Following the Frontier, 1903:" "The tract of land on top of the Orange Cliffs, entirely surrounded by canyons, can only be reached by one or two... more
                • Southwest Coloradojim lynch, Sat Feb 3 11:28am
                  For anyone with an interest in that part of Colorado, starting in Grand Junction head east on hi-way 50 towards Delta. Turn south on 141 towards Whitewater and cross the Dolores River. Follow the... more
                  • Unaweep CanyonBob Goodwin, Sat Feb 3 11:38am
                    Jim, Unaweep is the route that Pocock took South from Grand Junction following roughly the course of route 141.
                  • re: Southwest ColoradoBob Goodwin, Sat Feb 3 11:34am
                    If you actually take the time to travel down there, don't forget to stop at Dove Creek for some Anasazi beans. Low on gas, and very tasty. Dove Creek is the Bean capital of the U.S.
                    • re: Southwest Coloradojim lynch, Sat Feb 3 12:34pm
                      I was raised in Cortez and mined uranium on Long Park near Naturita. This is pretty close to heaven!
                • Re: The trail to Robbers RoostDaniel Buck, Sat Feb 3 6:59am
                  Bob, I'm not familiar with the area, that is a given. But I have read (and, alas, reread, Pocock). In the chapter from Following the Frontier (1903) under discussion, "The Trail of the Outlaw," he... more
                  • re: the trailBob Goodwin, Sat Feb 3 7:42am
                    Dan, Your clarity and alacrity are always astounding. Yes, you are correct, Pocock never in his narratives says that he actually visited the Roost himself. And, as you have mentioned often, in his... more
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