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Tue Mar 6, 2018 9:21am

I enjoyed your version very much. If I may make an observation here and hope I say it right. You and I live in these western lands ,Utah and Wyoming , where people from the east may not understand how difficult is was and is to travel by horseback . It's rough country and very sparsely populated even today. In the case of Robber's Roost most of those were Mormon pioneer families . Those who were not may have been miners, cowboys , or shady characters. If Pocock would have inquired of them about outlaws they most likely gave him tall tales to scare him. Or just spun yarns they had heard. By the time Pocock came through circa 1899/1900 the well known outlaws were long gone. But Pocock would not have known that. He was there but may have wanted to tell a story that would thrill the readers back in England.

And it is very much like the tall tales that Seibert wrote and told. He never met Butch nor Sundance and doubtful he met any outlaws. But he wanted to make a movie and become famous and impress his NY friends. So he took all of Rollo Glass papers and letters and claimed them as his own. This is directly from Percy's granddaughter .

Why do some want to believe the fairy tales of Seibert but not Pocock?

  • Roger Pocock's adventurous ride, cont'dDaniel Buck, Mon Mar 5 5:17am
    Between late June 1899 and late January 1900, British adventurer Roger Pocock rode horseback from Fort Macleod, Alberta, to Mexico City, some 3,600 miles across Alberta, Montana, Wyoming, Colorado,... more
    • Excellent — Pat, Tue Mar 6 9:21am
      • Re: Excellent Daniel Buck, Tue Mar 6 11:41am
        Pat, If you've read anything we (I &/or Anne Meadows) have written you would know that we discussed & weighed Percy Seibert's stories & exaggerations on a number of occasions, and as well those of... more
        • I do read. Pat, Tue Mar 6 12:42pm
          But I read more than just your little book that got so much wrong. I have emails and phone calls from Percy's granddaughter and great granddaughter which back up what I said. I do know she was very... more
          • PSPat, Tue Mar 6 12:48pm
            In the huge file on Rollo Glass (over 350 pages) that I gave to Mike is a lot of info you have left out. Percy went to La Paz and emptied out Rollo's office of all papers. That is where the... more
    • Roger Pocock's adventurous ride - A ResponseBob Goodwin, Mon Mar 5 9:46pm
      Roger Pococks 1899 3,600 mile trek from Ft. Macleod, Canada to Mexico City was a worthy accomplishment. He first wrote about the feat, not in 1903 but in 1900 in a series of articles published by... more
      • Re: Roger Pocock's adventurous ride - A ResponseDaniel Buck, Tue Mar 6 3:30am
        Bob, All quite informative, but it elides the point of my post, that in spite of Roger Pocock's suggestions in his autobiography, A Frontiersman, and the assertions of his biographer, Geoffrey A.... more
        • re: Roger Pocock's adventurous ride - A ResponseBob Goodwin, Tue Mar 6 5:36am
          Dan, You obfuscate the true purpose of your initial post, that is: Since Roger Pocock did not actually get to Robbers Roost, as a casual reading of his works might suggest, then what he wrote,... more
          • re: Roger Pocock's adventurous ride - A ResponseDaniel Buck, Tue Mar 6 5:54am
            Bob, What I wrote was this: "It does appear that Pocock actually made the journey. In late November 1899, New Mexico newspapers reported him being found lost and starving near Deming. In late January ... more
            • re; Roger Pocock etc.Bob Goodwin, Wed Mar 7 12:40pm
              Dan, The bigger question is how much can Roger Pocock be trusted. Yes, he exaggerated, but he does not seem to invent his stories. They are based on core facts, not inventions. He also editorializes. ... more
              • Re: re; Roger Pocock etc.Daniel Buck, Wed Mar 7 2:30pm
                Bob, I'm not sure there is much disagreement between us -- especially because we are both skeptical & attentive (you even more than I on the latter score) readers. That said, three thoughts. His book ... more
              • PocokBob Goodwin, Wed Mar 7 12:44pm
                The bottom line is that I think he can be trusted, in general, you just have to know when he is trying to pull your Calavaras County leg.
    • Early day wows!jim lynch, Mon Mar 5 10:19am
      Not to diminish what that man did when even today that part of Colorado/Utah is still wild(just try to drive from Delta to Naturita in the winter), but how about a cattle drive from Arkansas to... more
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