Lease this WebApp and get rid of the ads.
Pat
Try leaving out the white guys.
Thu Apr 5, 2018 9:21am
98.127.161.155

In Roger's version he says a Rubio is a light skinned Spaniard. So it could be a spaniard with blue eyes and lighter hair plus a shorter nose than the indian natives. Or andeans. Since Pero did not see anything except the light eyes then how would anyone know who were the robbers. They just blew away the wrong guys.

It funny how you try to deflect away from some other outlaws by making them white guys like Brad Pitt..

  • nasal morpometricsDaniel Buck, Thu Apr 5 8:49am
    Chris, Let's look at the bright side, the "medios natos" question is an excuse to brush up on our nasal morphometrics. At the time we were translating the Expediente, a bi-lingual Bolivian rendered... more
    • Try leaving out the white guys. — Pat, Thu Apr 5 9:21am
      • Re: Try leaving out the white guys.Daniel Buck, Thu Apr 5 10:04am
        Pat, The Expediente was compiled November 1908 to March 1909 by the Tupiza district attorney. That's the original, the document we are working off of, the one I am quoting from. There is no mention... more
        • Re: Try leaving out the white guys.Vince Garcia, Thu Apr 5 7:33pm
          Excellent comments. We have the same problem in trying to translate some fine points in Biblical texts. This has led me to wonder if you can comment on the point Christ brought up about the word... more
          • lost & found in translationDaniel Buck, Fri Apr 6 6:07am
            Vince, biblical translations have fueled disputes for hundreds of years, and will for hundreds more. Of course, in that case we trying to understand the word of God (supposedly.) Here we're trying... more
            • Re: lost & found in translationVince Garcia, Fri Apr 6 7:18pm
              Again, good reasoning. And I definitely understand the issue w/regional dialects. (There were like 30 regional dialects of Aramaic so when someone asks a question like, "How would that translate from ... more
              • Re: lost & found in translationDaniel Buck, Sat Apr 7 5:24am
                Vince, there are three later photos, two from Argentina, ca. 1904, and one from Bolivia, ca. 1908, but the resolution is not great. In the Bolivia photo SK looks like he has thickened around the... more
                • Re: lost & found in translationVince Garcia, Sat Apr 7 9:08am
                  After I wrote that, I recalled the camp photo which we have talked about before, and which I have remarked--since we're talking about who DOESN'T look like Butch and SD--doesn't look look like them.... more
                  • Re: lost & found in translationDaniel Buck, Sat Apr 7 10:01am
                    Vince, The camp photo? Do you mean the 1908 photo from Bolivia? Yes, the resolution is not great, and it's not a close up, but the pair are dressed in Montana Peak hats, light shirts, vests, etc., as ... more
                    • Re: lost & found in translationVince Garcia, Sat Apr 7 10:08am
                      Yes but my main point is that if I just brought the photo to you and said "This is a photo of Butch and SD" I dont think you would agree just based on a visual examination of the two. i.e., it don't... more
                • BallparkChrisV, Sat Apr 7 6:29am
                  The description of the corpses is no where near "in the ballpark" Its not them. Lets regroup and find out what really happened.
            • Re: lost & found in translationChrisV, Fri Apr 6 6:23am
              Dan, I dont normally rate guys, but I think that both Sundance and Butch were both in the category of handsome guys. To judge one a little uglier, to me doesn't make sense if it were the outlaws. You ... more
              • Re: lost & found in translationDaniel Buck, Fri Apr 6 6:41am
                Chris, it's more important what Remigio Sánchez thought. That said, I don't think it's unreasonable, based on the few photographs we have, to describe Sundance as "bien parecido" and Cassidy as "un... more
                • Re: lost & found in translationChrisV, Fri Apr 6 6:58am
                  Dan, Actually, its more important to look at the description of the two corpses. If you zoom in on the fw5 photo, you can see his Butch's scar. It must have been quite noticeable. You would think if... more
                  • Re: lost & found in translationDaniel Buck, Fri Apr 6 12:38pm
                    Chris, The mention of a scar on Cassidy's face is from his Wyoming prison record, 1894: "has a small red scar under the left eye." It might have been the result of the pistol-whipping sheriff Bob... more
                    • Re: lost & found in translationChrisV, Fri Apr 6 1:18pm
                      The unique scar was there in the FW5 1900 photo and in the 1901 RR photo. Would have been there if Butch was the right corpse. He wasnt. It was an ugly, short , upturned nose, guero. And a stupid one ... more
          • VincePat, Fri Apr 6 6:06am
            Christ wasn't white and blond either or hanked a pug nose.
            • Re: VinceVince Garcia, Fri Apr 6 8:01pm
              You were there and saw what He looked like? Other than supposing He looked something like the guy on the Shroud of Turin, I have mo idea what Jesus looked like or what color His hair or complexion... more
    • Re: nasal morpometricsChrisV, Thu Apr 5 9:16am
      Dan, Thanks for chiming in, however, Im not buying it. The nose is but one description that is dissimilar to the two outlaws. The only thing these two deceased hoodlums had in common with Butch and... more
Click here to receive daily updates