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Vince Garcia
I will know soon
Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:03pm
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I have an email in to Simon CAsson to ask a rough estimate of his daily riding rate on the bandit trails. Dan can match that against Butch and SD's mule travel rate after the robbery to see how that compared. Not a perfect comparison but workable

  • Your rightChrisV, Thu Apr 12 6:32am
    Your right on most counts Vince. A mule is a wonderful creature. The only thing you left out is how slow they are compared to a horse. And...saying a horse to a mule is a 2wd to a 4wd is not a good... more
    • I will know soon — Vince Garcia, Thu Apr 12 5:03pm
      • Re: I will know soonAnonymous, Fri Apr 13 7:49am
        Hi Vince, Good question. I'll have to unearth my original notebooks with all the details. We kept a record of costs for many reasons. As the expedition was a human risk, the financials had to be... more
      • Thanks Vince (nm)ChrisV, Thu Apr 12 5:10pm
        • Horses-Mules-MileageSimon Casson, Sat Apr 14 12:59am
          Hi Vince, I found the old OT notepads. Deep in store, with the horse head gear! My answer for those who can't see it on Facebook... "well....in the high country mules are way better. the high Andes... more
    • Re: Your rightDaniel Buck, Thu Apr 12 6:39am
      Chris, if you read up on mules, especially mules in high mountain terrain, you'll find that they are a better choice than horses. That's why horses are preferred in the Kentucky Derby, and mules are... more
      • editing lapse correctedDaniel Buck, Thu Apr 12 6:59am
        if you read up on mules in high mountain terrain, you'll find that they are a better choice than horses. That's why horses are preferred in the Kentucky Derby, and mules are preferred in the Bolivian ... more
        • Re: editing lapse correctedChrisV, Thu Apr 12 7:13am
          Your Ducati example is poor. Both a horse and a mule are capable of climbing rough country. Horses have the advantage of speed if needed
          • on Mount Eerest, the Ducati comes in secondDaniel Buck, Thu Apr 12 7:24am
            Actually, the Ducati is a great example, faster than all get out, except on certain terrains. On Mount Everest, foot power is preferred, not to mention faster. As well, speed is not an infinite... more
            • Its a two wheel drive vehicle on a mountain. To say a horse is a two wheel drive animal only meant for speed is stupid. Come out to my ranch and Ill show you what horses can do on a steep mountain.... more
              • Re: on Mount Eerest, the Ducati comes in secondDaniel Buck, Thu Apr 12 10:18am
                Chris, You raised the speed issue. Speed is not everything. Sometimes a canoe is preferred to a horse; on foot to a Ducati. It all depends. Sure-footedness and stamina are important in high altitude... more
                • "You raised the speed issue. Speed is not everything. Sometimes a canoe is preferred to a horse; on foot to a Ducati. It all depends." Your absolutely right it all depends. In this case escaping... more
      • Re: Your rightChrisV, Thu Apr 12 6:49am
        There should be a law against horses in the Andes. You might want to contact all the businesses that have horse riding excursions in Bolivia. Tell them immediately to switch to mules. The tourists... more
        • Re: Your rightDaniel Buck, Thu Apr 12 7:06am
          Chris, That's because there are very few mules left in Bolivia. (I've only seen two ever in multiple trips over 50+ years.) Mules were done in by the internal combustion engine. In 1800s and early... more
          • Re: Your rightChrisV, Thu Apr 12 7:15am
            Add up all the other evidence and the two fools on mules was not Butch and Sundance.
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