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Simon Casson
Bolivia/Andes/Horses
Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:21am
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Hi Chris,
Thanks for buying the kindle version. If you become immersed, get a 2nd edition book - you can pencil notations. The ride was hard graft. Our outfitters helped two Swedes mount a similar expedition - La Mesa (Las Cruces) NM to Miles City MT but it didn't quite go. You're about right comparing southern Bolivia to south-east Utah/western Colorado. Dan (and Limbert) know more about this region than most. I don't believe the outlaws were using relays. Too hard + costly to keep many mounts at ready, and why they took the Aramayo mule. They're worth gold.

How we rode... we originally thought 3 months. When life got very difficult in Springerville it stopped days off when fancied, longer stop-overs in historical places. We had to get moving but not wear out a second batch of horses. Pressure mounted. Richard was a WO2RM (Warrant Officer 2 Royal Marines) whose expertise was horse usage in theatre deployment and Afghanistan. He reminded the uncomfortable military adage "men and horses are expendable items". Barbara was mortified. We were being monitored by many authorities and no risks aside from the ride itself were taken.

The Wild Bunch bought, trained and prepared the very best horses-mules money could buy. They rode as required. Horses got worn, discarded, broken, killed. But they did the best they could for them. Left afoot was no option. Joe LeFors' mentions robbers' old grey packhorse who made 110 miles in a day - ruined. There are other statements in books about their horses and usage. It was part of the game. What we learned was "pet" horses were not up to the job. The best were working ranch horses, endurance horses and trained hunting outfitters horses. If Nat Geographic said let's do this again, we'd have mules for Gila & Blue Wildernesses, Canyonlands, Book Cliffs, Brown's Park, Big Horn Mtn work - all else can be done o good quarter-horses... cheers, Simon

  • Re: Horse-Mule Relays: AndesChrisV, Sat Apr 14 6:14am
    Hi Simon, Bought the kindle edition yesterday afternoon and finished most of it last night. Well done. Not very many people would do what you did. Im jealous. I was talking to a hand that works for... more
    • Bolivia/Andes/Horses — Simon Casson, Sat Apr 14 8:21am
      • Re: Bolivia/Andes/HorsesChrisV, Sat Apr 14 1:23pm
        Thanks Simon, Again very jealous of your adventure. Glad to hear you would use a combo of both horses and mules to fit the terrain. As I said earlier, thats what my cowboy buddy said. My kindle... more
    • square peg in round hole exerciseDaniel Buck, Sat Apr 14 7:17am
      Chris, you are trying to pound a square peg in a round hole. And you bring up once again the "if they were smart" angle, i.e, woulda, coulda, shoulda. What we have is what happened, not what we think ... more
      • Re: square peg in round hole exerciseChrisV, Sat Apr 14 11:00am
        You are using the wrong puzzle pieces Dan. All of the info does not add up to it being them. "Crime is an unforgiving business" that is something I do agree with you on. Butch and SK knew that as... more
      • You keep forgetting about GricePat, Sat Apr 14 7:49am
        His partner Tex, and all the other outlaws in the area. Grice did Rio Gallegos and other robberies. He was in Chile with Sundance and said Butch had gone to BA . By 1908 Butch was in Tupezia with... more
        • Re: You keep forgetting about GriceDaniel Buck, Sat Apr 14 10:07am
          Pat, Herbert Grice as I recall was back in the US by 1906 -- correct? -- thus out of the picture in terms of Bolivia. As for Butch Cassidy being the Englishman Frank Murray or the North American Ray... more
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