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Vince Garcia
The humble mule wins?
Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:02am
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So that is a total of 80 miles over 4 days, or 20 miles a day on mules? at worst equal to what Simon did per day on horses on the bandit trail. And He admits horses would fare somewhat worse in the Andes. So mules would seem to at least hold their own or fare better than horses, which is what I would expect for the Andes

  • Vince, All good information. I think that there might be some variation in any of these numbers -- up or down -- depending on the terrain, for many hours on the trail, and how fast one pushed the... more
    • Mules-Andes-Roy LetsonSimon casson, Sun Apr 15 1:14am
      Vince, Don't forget crucial evidence... Sundance was working other stu-running mules for contractor Roy Letson. All the mines used them and burros. Horses don't do well at high altitude for work. If... more
      • Re: Mules-Andes-Roy LetsonVince Garcia, Sun Apr 15 6:00pm
        I'm in agreement w/you, Simon. It's others here who are of the opinion they would have used horses, thus they believe this is more evidence the robbers were not Butch and SD.
    • The humble mule wins? — Vince Garcia, Sat Apr 14 11:02am
      • Re: The humble mule wins?Daniel Buck, Sat Apr 14 12:53pm
        Vince, Two days, not four days: the trek from Tomahuaico to San Vicente was over two days, leaving Tomahuaico the morning of 5 November -- Francis, if he is remembering the details correctly, has... more
        • Re: The humble mule wins?Vince Garcia, Sat Apr 14 2:39pm
          Don't they arrive on the 8th? leaving on the 5th would be 4 days But if it's 2 days that that's 40 miles/day by mule? I have a hard time seeing it. If they took 4 days, arriving on the 8th that would ... more
          • Re: The humble mule wins?Daniel Buck, Sat Apr 14 3:49pm
            Vince, I have no idea how far a mule can go if properly motivated, but I do not think 50 miles a day is unrealistic. Some info here, http://www.mulemuseum.org/history-of-the-mule.html EXCERPT:... more
          • Re: The humble mule wins?Daniel Buck, Sat Apr 14 3:36pm
            Vince, the shootout was the evening of the 6th; the bodies were discovered the 7th. I screw the dates up all the time. Dan
            • Re: The humble mule wins?Vince Garcia, Sat Apr 14 4:17pm
              I guess mules can move pretty good then, especially when you have an abusive guy like SD driving them to the limit if he wants to. In any event, i see no reason why to be Butch and SD they would have ... more
              • Re: The humble mule wins?Daniel Buck, Sat Apr 14 6:45pm
                Vince, I can't really add anything to what I've already posted, that mules were the preferred mount in the Bolivian Andes in the 19th and early 20th century; they are more sure-footed on difficult... more
                • Mule PhotoChrisV, Sun Apr 15 6:33am
                  You can not tell who is in that photos except that there are mules and not horses. Could be anyone.
                  • Re: Mule PhotoDaniel Buck, Sun Apr 15 6:56am
                    Chris, Best to look at the big picture, so speak. Sometimes provenance -- that is, information about the date and location of the photo and identity of the people depicted -- trumps resolution.... more
                    • Re: Mule PhotoChrisV, Sun Apr 15 7:09am
                      Sorry Dan, I dont accept it as proof. Could it be them? Yes, it could because I can't really tell who anyone is in the photo. Could it be someone else....of course and probably is
        • Two Mule for Two foolsChrisV, Sat Apr 14 1:13pm
          Vince you might want to recalculate as Dan said That is my quote and I stand by it Dan. These guys did not have the same M.O. as Butch and Sundance. Nor to they fit the description of the two... more
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