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Vince Garcia
Tom Capehart = Sundace Kid/Jim Lowe = Butch Cassidy
Tue May 15, 2018 5:55am
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December, 1905, Elza Lay had his sentence commuted and then, according to Wm. French, apparently visited and mentioned that "Tom Capehart" had gone to South America with "Jim Lowe."

Then, in his memoirs, French recorded that he read an article, around a year (it would have been around 10 months) after speaking with Elza Lay, that showed a photo of “Tom Capehart” and some other men, but while Jim was called Butch Cassidy, “Tom had again changed his cognomen.”

This, of course, is the famous article on the Wild Bunch published in Sep. of 1906.

As French knew Butch as Jim Lowe, Ben Kilpatrick as “Big Johnny” Ward; and as the article stated Will Carver and Harvey Logan were dead and French makes no mention of Capehart’s being expired, he can only be referring to the Sundance’s Kid’s photograph as the “Tom Capehart” he knew.Thus, whether there was another TC or not, there is no other conclusion that Lay orally, and French by photographic ID, claimed the Sundance Kid was the “Tom Capehart” that worked at the WS ranch.

Now Chris made a good observation that SD made it down into NM early in his career where he may have met TC, and for whatever reason later decided to borrow his name as the gang members seemed to do at times. (Logan calling himself Harvey Ray is another example and some might say Butch calling himself Jim Lowe could be another,)

But you can't pass this off as some kind of bad memory. This is a very detailed recollection of two points of affirmation from the era and two sources that SD was known by the name TC

    • AlsoBob Goodwin, Wed May 16 6:05am
      Sundance, when he shows up in New Mexico late 1899 or early 1900 was going by the name Frank Scramble. Both Bob Lee and the Cunningham guy in Silver City both call him that.
    • re:FrenchBob Goodwin, Wed May 16 6:00am
      William French is not clear in his own mind who Tom Capehart was. From what French wrote, the Capehart he was referring to could have been the real Capehart, or Sundance, or Harvey Logan, or Will... more
      • re:FrenchVince Garcia, Wed May 16 5:05pm
        I can't speak to whether SD would have had to be part of the Folsom robbery to have been the TC French refers to after Lays' arrest. What I can say is that French says Lay first of all says that TC... more
        • TimelineBob Goodwin, Fri May 18 1:22pm
          The timeline for Sundance does not work out either for him being Tom Capehart. The Wilcox robbery, in which Sundace participated happened June 8 1899, The Folsom robbery, just over a month later on... more
          • Re: TimelineVince Garcia, Fri May 18 4:58pm
            The Wilcox aftermath is an interesting period. SD does go off the radar somewhat until 1900 that we know of him and where he is for sure. Was HE really the guy driving the horses w/Logan? We assume... more
            • Re:Bob Goodwin, Sat May 19 7:08am
              Vince after re-reading your comments, and looking into what French wrote, some observations and questions arise for you to consider. First of all, it was Lay that told French that Lowe had gone to... more
              • Re:Vince Garcia, Sat May 19 1:52pm
                "it was Lay that told French that Lowe had gone to South America, not the other way around, and that it was TC who went, with him" yes. That was what I have been saying, right? Lay visited him and... more
      • re:FrenchDaniel Buck, Wed May 16 6:21am
        Bob, Good observations. Tom Capehart is a vexed character in Wild Bunch history, confused repeatedly with other outlaws -- Cassidy, Sundance, Logan, Carver & Lay, among others -- and written up by... more
    • Interesting. Your on to something
      • Grammar PoliceNicholas, Wed May 16 1:22pm
        I hate to be the grammar police because I don't belong to that political party. Come on Chris. You work at a school. You educate for a living. You don't know how to spell "You're"? Or is that some... more
        • Re: Grammar PoliceVince Garcia, Wed May 16 5:10pm
          You are absolutely right--the photos do not look alike at all! But the photo and illustration in the Knoxville paper DO look very similar if lined up side by side.
        • Re: Grammar PoliceChrisV, Wed May 16 1:53pm
          Nicholas, Thanks for the comment. If you want to play grammar police, you can start with Mark's Fiction on the High Seas article. Then, move onto Dan's articles that have multiple issues. best, Chris
        • KRBNicholas, Wed May 16 1:40pm
          I am not a fan of KRB. Kerry says that the one killed at Parachute is Jim York from Texas. I couldn't find him. Who is this Jim York? I do like answers. I feel a need to explain my skepticism remark... more
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