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Daniel Buck
graphologist vs. questioned document examiner
Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:48pm
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Vince,
no one is dismissing anyone's point out of hand -- heaven help us, this is OWR after all -- but I did get a serious chuckle out of attempts to balloon cherry-picked handwriting variations into, well, I'm not sure what the point was.

A graphologist, by the way, is someone who speculates on personality based on handwriting, the sort of person one might run into at the county fair, and whose table is next to the palm reader's, as opposed to a questioned document examiner, who typically testifies in legal matters, is called in by auction houses, etc.

There is, nonetheless, controversy over the entire subject of handwriting examination, with some saying that it is more of a junk science than anything. A topic I would not dismiss out of hand. Dan

  • Re: Ryan's Handwriting Two Weeks Apartvince garcia, Wed Aug 29 2:26pm
    That was my initial thought but it would be wrong to dismiss Chris' point out of hand. While they look similar in some ways overall to me as well, clearly there are also noteworthiness differences.... more
    • graphologist vs. questioned document examiner — Daniel Buck, Wed Aug 29 3:48pm
      • Re: graphologist vs. questioned document examinervince garcia, Wed Aug 29 4:58pm
        But again--they do look reasonably close overall. So I would ask: What do the rest of the documents look like for comparison? Do both docs have a lot of questionable penmanship, or is the sig the... more
        • Vince, I have to say you are making sense. I agree pretty much with everything you just said. If you don't have the other documents I can email them to you. They all for the most part look similar at ... more
          • Re: graphologist vs. questioned document examinervince garcia, Wed Aug 29 6:38pm
            No, my eyes are so bad and me so unqualified I don't think I could judge intelligently. I did look at the photos you posted and thought, again, they looked similar at a glance but not necessarily in... more
            • Gotcha I, you, and others, just want history to be as factual as possible. The owner of the published documents needs to be responsible and have them analyzed. We want history to be as factual as... more
      • Re: graphologist vs. questioned document examinervince garcia, Wed Aug 29 4:53pm
        I forget or don't know what the term is for a handwriting expert. But you get what I mean My concern is based on having seen quite a bit of episodes of PAWN STARS where they bring in the autograph... more
        • But these aren't autographs.
          • autographs vs. signaturesDaniel Buck, Thu Aug 30 3:35am
            Deborah, good observation, the difference between autographs and signatures, though the words are often informally used interchangeably. Pawn Stars, which I watch occasionally, is of course a... more
          • Re: graphologist vs. questioned document examinervince garcia, Thu Aug 30 3:30am
            Yes they are. They're signatures. Same exact thing.
            • When I visit an elderly friend in the nursing home where she lives I must sign in at the desk before my visit. In no way is my style of writing signing a check for example, the same as my sign-in... more
            • I agree (nm)ChrisV, Thu Aug 30 4:13am
            • yes & noDaniel Buck, Thu Aug 30 3:44am
              Vince, our posts crossed in the Internet, so to speak. Are autographs signatures; are signatures autographs? The correct answer is, as in so many cases, yes and no. They each represent a person's... more
              • Re: yes & noDeborah, Thu Aug 30 10:19am
                True.
              • Expert in EverythingChrisV, Thu Aug 30 4:46am
                Dan is the only person on earth who is an expert in everything, yet cant answer simple questions about the Wild Bunch. Why did you debunk the Santiago Ryan signature (chestnut stallion receipt ) ?
      • You don't know what the point is......Really? Go back and read my posts. Ill spell it out for you since your slow. These documents are not done by the same person. Want to prove me wrong? Hire... more
        • let's not have kittens, bad for the health (nm)Daniel Buck, Wed Aug 29 4:03pm
          • kittens scratchneglib, Wed Aug 29 4:47pm
            Dan, Chris has a good points that makes me chuckle too. Heaven forbid for inquiry. Address his points rather than replying with a non-answer and then we all can learn and move on. Regards, Brett
          • Clever comebackChrisV, Wed Aug 29 4:17pm
            Thats right come up with a clever comeback and runaway. Id spend my time trying to explain myself
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