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Bob Goodwin
The Cabin and it's growth
Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:05am

Initially I have believed that the Jinetes photo of the riders, and the Tea Party photos were taken on opposite sides of the cabin. That is not so. They were both taken on the same side of the cabin! We have all been looking at this in completely the wrong way. After looking at plans and diagrams of the cabin it became obvious that the cabin had been added on to sometime after the trio moved in and when the riders photo was taken.

When the cabin was first occupied by Sundance and Etta, it was a two room cabin, with the main door to the side and a door opposite, on the same side that entered into the parlor. The only door on the back of the house was directly opposite of the front door. If both doors were open at the same time, you could see right through the house. There was no door on the opposite corner of the house.

Sometime after the trio arrived, they made significant changes and additions to the cabin, most notably, they added a new bedroom to the right of the front door, redid the roof and added the nice picket fence. So now, the door was not on the corner of the house, but closer to the middle, with a window to the right of the door. The layout of the house changed from Parlor/Bedroom, kitchen, to Bedroom, Parlor, Kitchen, giving Sundance and Etta their own bedroom and separate kitchen. Quite an upgrade.

The Tea Party photo was taken before the addition of the bedroom, new roof, and picket fence. The Riders or Jinetes photo was taken after the addition. So Chris, the second addition that you have drawn in, at the first of this thread is on the wrong side of the house, it was on the back side, that was never photographed. The door to the side of the newer addition was also added, cut from the window at that spot. The Tea party photo, when looked at in view of the smaller cabin, everything lines up., door placement, window spacing, etc. This also clears up the corner log placement problems that you pointed out in your previous posts.

This also makes the Tea Party photo older than the Jinetes photo by about three years. It must have been taken not long after the couple moved in, whereas the Jinetes photo was taken not long before they moved out.

By the way, has anyone every really noticed Butch's Batchelor pad cabin on the far right of the Jinetes photo? This is where Butch lived, in his own cabin, apart from Sundance and Etta. This cabin still stands, but was moved some distance away by the Sepulveda family. There were also several other buildings in thier compound when they occupied it.

  • CabinsChrisV, Wed Sep 12 5:03am
    For the record, I am not an expert in photography. I was pointing something out. Take it for what you will. Etta who is next to SK is much shorter than she should be. She is also not the same size as ... more
    • The Cabin and it's growth — Bob Goodwin, Wed Sep 12 6:05am
      • I give you creditChrisV, Fri Sep 14 5:08am
        Its good to see someone on here not being a sheep. Bob obviously sees theres a problem with the Tea Party cabin and tried to figure it out instead of just going with the flock. Thanks Bob. I think... more
      • Bachelor pad Mark, Thu Sep 13 12:14am
        Bob. Pretty neat. Thanks for this. No idea that Butch had his own little pad. On additions, it is not unreasonable to assume they made mods as time went on. Thanks for this.
      • Re: The Cabin and it's growthDaniel Buck, Wed Sep 12 8:26am
        Bob, your observation is a welcome reminder of what we do not know, or to go full Rumsfeld, what we don't know we don't know. The two photographs represent but two brief moments in the BC&SK&EP... more
        • Re:Bob Goodwin, Thu Sep 13 6:05am
          Dan, I agree, The length between the two windows on the front side of the cabin, unless there is some perspective problem in the photo, is much too close. However, the back of the cabin presents even ... more
        • Good Morning DanChrisV, Thu Sep 13 4:55am
          Ill accept your silence as you've finally come to your senses and realized its impossible for that cabin to be the Cholila cabin. Look on the bright side, the three individuals haven't been debunked... more
        • SilenceChrisV, Wed Sep 12 2:50pm
          Come on Dan. Your supposed to be a witty guy. Please explain how its possible the Tea Party is the Cholila cabin.
        • Re: The Cabin and it's growthChrisV, Wed Sep 12 10:56am
          Without this becoming a blood sport as you called it, please explain how the Tea Party photo is the westside of the Cholila cabin. Anyone can see it is too short and has the problems that I explained ... more
      • Re: The Cabin and it's growthvince garcia, Wed Sep 12 7:52am
        Wait, bob--when you say they added a new bedroom, wouldn't that have been Butch;'s bedroom? Might the small shack have been for the ranch hands or Wenceslao Solis?
        • Re:Bob Goodwin, Thu Sep 13 6:36am
          Vince, according to the Sepulvedas and Gavirati the other cabin was where Butch lived. There were other buildings on the site in addition to just the two buildings.
          • Re:vince garcia, Thu Sep 13 11:04am
            Interesting. I would wonder why the extra bedroom then. Did they expect that many guests? Maybe they did. Of course, my memory is always bad, but I thought I recalled reading Butch gave up his bed... more
      • Re: The Cabin and it's growthChrisV, Wed Sep 12 6:58am
        Looking at the shadows, wouldn't that have the sun coming out of the north?
        • Re: The Cabin and it's growthChrisV, Wed Sep 12 7:16am
          shadows in both Tea party and jinentes pointing in same direction, so must not be north. I stand corrected. Measure the Tea Party length. Take away the section you are talking about in the Jinentes... more
    • Sundance, Giant of a manBob Goodwin, Wed Sep 12 5:33am
      For the record I am not a photo expert either, you did point out something that looked puzzling. From looking at the photo for many minutes, and examining it. It does have perspective problems as... more
      • Re: Sundance, Giant of a manDaniel Buck, Wed Sep 12 5:48am
        Perspective distortion & other photographic headaches. Not only is EP behind and to SK's left, BC is way off to SK's right.
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