Mark A Mszanski
Good Analysis Bob
Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:25am

Bob and Vince -

I had always thought the woman known to us as Ethel Place would be unlikely in this scenario. There is no direct connection as I recall to SK in this scenario -
I did however remember an earlier tale of EP being introduced at a Dinner in Denver as she was with Sundance - I cannot recall that story right now but believe Vince had that one nailed down. It would be good to understand more about that and the background as to where it came from. EP does not really show up on most researchers radar until Early 1901 . However the there may be evidence of earlier encounters and pleasantries as I recall.. Not much earlier but within a year.


  • re: Harrison HotelBob Goodwin, Fri Feb 22 5:57am
    The well dressed young lady was most likely Ella Butler, Mont Butler's wife. Mont was probably the "over sized" man she claimed to be her husband. Mont was part of the Robbers Roost gang., and was... more
    • Good Analysis Bob — Mark A Mszanski, Fri Feb 22 7:25am
      • Re: Good Analysis Bobvince garcia, Fri Feb 22 5:22pm
        No it's not a really a good analysis. From what Nicholas found, the couple may have gotten married a few days later and are NOT the Butlers (I think Ella was late 20s but could be wrong but that... more
        • Yes, good analysisBob Goodwin, Tue Feb 26 6:07am
          Vince, I never said that Mont and Ella Butler were John F. Ackley and Flora Bailey. Ackley and Bailey were just some random Kansas couple getting married in SLC. If Flora Bailey, soon to be Flora... more
          • btwvince garcia, Wed Feb 27 4:52am
            btw, EB had kind of a bad reputation and notoriety going back to the mid 90s that I know of. I might suppose she would be recognized by the sheriff and marshal, or someone else, (not even dealing... more
          • Re: Yes, good analysisvince garcia, Tue Feb 26 7:32pm
            Well, as you know, I disagree they were a KS couple. They CLAIMED they were, but the girl does not appear in KS birth records. Plenty of guys under the man's name are in records so no help there. I'm ... more
            • re:Bob Goodwin, Thu Feb 28 5:43am
              So your contention is that Flora, the Lady that turned up in Springville the day of the robbery was traveling under her married name Ackley before she was actually married, and not her own maiden... more
              • re:vince garcia, Thu Feb 28 5:05pm
                I think it is very possible though not 100% conclusive. Yes they would have been in on the robbery. I'm saying the three guys were the Currie gang. The girl I believe was EP but could have been... more
                • re:Bob Goodwin, Mon Mar 4 6:37am
                  Thanks Vince. I think you have convinced me that Ell Butler was probably not involved in the Springville Robbery. Though her husband Mont Butler probably was. It also appears that Etta Place was not... more
                  • re:vince garcia, Tue Mar 5 3:37am
                    I would question it can be proven that john ackley is the right ackley because there were so many of them around and the girl can't be IDed in census records. So whomever they are, they have to... more
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