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the ongoing "debate."
Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:32pm
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Cathy, you wrote,

"I admit to going back and forth, sometimes daily, on this issue. Murphy or Reid? That's why I think it may be an eternal debate and its best just to lay out the evidence as best we can from decades later."

Thank you for admitting that you were/are jumping back and forth between Reid and Murphy in regards to who shot Soapy. The latter part about "evidence from decades later" is confusing. I know that you know that nearly all of the pertinent evidence published in my book is from a very short time after the gunfight, some within hours.

As far as the rest of your post on who shot Soapy, I'm going to wait for your book. I am certainly not a follower of your reasoning. We'll debate more when your book comes out.

You wrote,

"So you are mistaken when you keep asserting that I say that Reid killed Smith. What I say is that the official records says that Reid killed Smith."

Cathy, people don't read your website and second guess what you mean. Had you written what you did here then people would know what you were implying. What you originally wrote was the following.

"According to The Skaguay News, dated July 8, 1898, city surveyor Frand[sic] Reid did. The newspaper repeated that story, word for word in their next issue on July 15, 1898, adding only updates on what had occurred in the days since, including the results of the coroner's inquest. The nine-man jury of leading citizens found that Smith died of a bullet wound to the heart, "the result of a pistol shot by one Frank H. Reid." These court-appointed jurists interviewed eye-witnesses and made their decisions under an oath of law.

Note: This makes it official. Reid killed Smith, according to a legal finding by a duly established court of law. Second-guessing by anyone outside a court of law over a hundred years later is an academic excercise[sic]."


To readers this is very clear that you are/were saying that Reid killed Soapy. Blame the writer not the reader.

By the way, John Ford did not say, "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." It was a line from the film, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.

Jeff Smith



  • Murphy or Reid?Cathy Spude, Tue Nov 8 9:03am
    Jeff: I admit to going back and forth, sometimes daily, on this issue. Murphy or Reid? That's why I think it may be an eternal debate and its best just to lay out the evidence as best we can from... more
    • the ongoing "debate." — Jeff Smith, Thu Nov 10 1:32pm
      • DebateCathy Spude, Thu Nov 10 6:49pm
        LOL! I'm saying you and I are laying out the evidence decades later. As far as the folks back in 1898, they believe they looked at the evidence on July 9, and decided that Frank Reid killed Soapy.... more
        • ConfusionJeff Smith, Thu Nov 10 7:38pm
          Cathy, your message would have been crystal clear had you left out the word "from." You wrote, "As far as the folks back in 1898, they believe they looked at the evidence on July 9, and decided that... more
          • "Truth"Cathy Spude, Fri Nov 11 10:02am
            The truth... "I'd rather be found wrong and learn the truth than think I'm right and never know." óJeff Smith I guess I truly am dense and only now just beginning to "get" it. The only version of the ... more
            • Cathy, you quoted me. "I'd rather be found wrong and learn the truth than think I'm right and never know." óJeff Smith and then write, "The only version of the truth that any Jeff Smith will accept... more
              • Nature of TruthCathy Spude, Sat Nov 12 9:16am
                LOL! And here I thought that was exactly what I was doing! Stating both sides of the story, my opinion and letting people make up their own minds! When I do it, you accuse me "hav[ing] a tendency to... more
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