Yeah, so much of Joyner and Grace's value came from the defense. And while neither was ever fast, Alonso takes the base-clogging thing to an extreme. Both also had several seasons of positive K/BB rates, and even though Alonso looks capable of controlling the strikeouts, I don't see him doing it less than he walks.

One non-scientific thing about Alonso -- just visually, even knowing his minor league record and his age, he looks like he should hit for more power than he has. That was true of Burroughs, too, but still, it gives me some hope.

BTW, CD, I've gotten two spams from your (at least one of your) email addresses. Nothing pornographic, "make millions" type of things. Time to change the old password and confound the hackers.