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Alan
Re: Yonder vs. Adrian in 2012
Sun Aug 5, 2012 17:17
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Adrian had a 6.6 WAR year last year and has a 1.9 WAR this year, but the year's not over. He's a better bet to be better than Alonso for quite a while as well, but as many people (not me) point out on this board when he was dealt... he's probably not going to have a lot of 6+ WAR seasons in him.

And so letting him go was probably the right decision at the time.

Yonder's at .8 WAR. The Rizzo, in many less PAs, already has a .9 WAR. So there's that as well.


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  • Yonder vs. Adrian in 2012Chase, Sun Aug 5 02:47
    Had they signed Adrian to a long-term deal this would have been his first free agent year covered. He's having a down year in the power department, and because of it the two 1b share a lot of... more
    • Re: Yonder vs. Adrian in 2012Wahoo willy, Mon Aug 6 01:17
      Tis the nature of marginal benefit. Also, Gonzalez is having a particularly Hal Morris like season. But yeah? Looks like a decent move. Would've been that much better if rizzo was still here (as jay... more
      • Re: Yonder vs. Adrian in 2012jst25, Mon Aug 6 11:24
        Last year the 1st half OPS+ was 94, second half was 108. Seems like they are on pace to repeat again this year. September 2010 broke the trend, unfortunately, but this happens nearly every year.
        • Re: Yonder vs. Adrian in 2012Eric, Mon Aug 6 15:11
          Wait, what? Last year's OPS+ ended up at 86, this year is currently at 91. Where are you getting 94 and 108? Am I missing or misunderstanding something?
          • Re: Yonder vs. Adrian in 2012Eric, Mon Aug 6 15:25
            Oh, you were talking about tOPS (split relative to total). Anyways, I felt this trend anecdotally, back in like '07, but when I checked the numbers, it wasn't conclusive. Now with a larger sample, it ... more
    • Re: Yonder vs. Adrian in 2012jst25, Sun Aug 5 13:29
      Agon's Boston experience definitely shows that park factors are complicated, and different parks affect different players differently. Clearly, Adrian's approach is messed up right now, he used to be ... more
      • Re: Yonder vs. Adrian in 2012McBain, Mon Aug 6 11:53
        Yeah, you could make a similar salary-hitting comparison between Adrian and probably fifty 1 WAR position players. No team would be happy paying 20+ million for a 2 WAR player, but no competitive... more
        • Rizzo vs. Alonso (past month)Chase, Sun Aug 12 16:40
          Rizzo - .272/.333/.427 (103 AB) 1 2b, 5 HR, 15 rbi 9bb, 16k Alonso - .287/.324/.485 (101 AB) 11 2b, 3 HR, 18 rbi, 6bb, 16k So much of Rizzo's impact (WAR) came from his insane start which amounted to ... more
          • Re: Rizzo vs. Alonso (past month)batpig, Mon Aug 13 20:52
            while some skepticism is warranted, it's worth noting that the Cubs have clearly revamped Rizzo's stance/swing to help shorten his stroke and get rid of that loopy path to the ball. take a look at... more
        • Re: Yonder vs. Adrian in 2012jst25, Mon Aug 6 18:06
          For me, it isn't really Rizzo versus Alonso. Better prospects than both those guys have failed.
      • Re: Yonder vs. Adrian in 2012Chase, Sun Aug 5 15:46
        Perhaps, but it appears to be one of those hindsight moments where you lose out on the guy we all wanted, and are better off because of it. Regardless of what % of the payroll his 22m salary would... more
        • Re: Yonder vs. Adrian in 2012 — Alan, Sun Aug 5 17:17
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