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David F Mayer
It just proves that people are united by biological traits.
Thu Dec 31, 2009 23:53
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NOTHING, absolutely nothing that comes from eyewitness testimony, memories of NDE, etc, can possibly be considered scientific evidence. Scientific evidence is the result of observations and measurements. In order to convince me that NDEs are anything other than unusual conditions of the nervous system, you must give me tangible, palpable, measurable evidence that can be recorded by instruments. Nothing anybody remembers or says makes any difference to the scientific issue.

If there is a soul that interacts with the body, it must have physical effects, since the body is physical. Hence, these effects must be detectable by instrumentation. In other words, the soul, if it is real, must be measurable. There are exactly four kinds of interactions that have been measured in the laboratory:

1. Strong nuclear
2. Electromagnetic
3. Weak nuclear
4. Gravitational

Since this alleged soul is none of these, there must be a fifth force. Devise an experiment to detect it. Otherwise, we are left with anecdote, which is a polite word for scuttlebutt.

David F Mayer

  • Read "The Eternal Journey" and "Closer to the Light" both at - <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ray, Thu Dec 31 12:04
    libraries. They are conclusive proof of the validity of Near Death Experience, very well documented and very extensive. They rule out any other possibility. "Closer" involves children exclusively,... more
    • It just proves that people are united by biological traits. - <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< David F Mayer, Thu Dec 31 23:53
      • As I pointed out on the other board - <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ray appreciates your input, Mon Jan 4 14:10
        pain is in the brain but does not exist during NDE. It exists immediately before and immediately after but not during so NDE cannot be in the brain. Also, memories of the trauma are often lost for... more
        • How do you know - <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Bob the builder, Wed Jan 27 12:40
          that pain isn't one of the first things that gets shut off when the brain is dying?
          • Why would it be? and why does it return so quickly? - <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ray, Thu Jan 28 14:31
            As usual you just deny anything that conflicts w/your beliefs. BTW, I talked to one of my best friends today. I've known her ten years and she finally cold me very quietly she has had two NDE. You... more
        • You are aware that it has been scientifically proven.... - <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< KR, Thu Jan 7 12:31
          ...that memory is a brain function, right? Oh wait, you don't attempt to understand ANY actual science.
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