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Don Roberto
Re: good without god NOT POSSIBLE
Tue Nov 16, 2010 23:10
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good without god NOT POSSIBLE and here is why: people who grow up in China, for example, live in a moral environment largely based on teachings of GOD, like Golden Rule.

On the other hand western atheists can be good to some extent but they have no logical moral foundation for their morality that religion offers. Humanism does not offer that.


Religion does not, as a general rule, offer logical anything. The "Golden Rule" is cross-cultural, and is not exclusive to any religion, or to religion at all. While it has its failings, it's a good first step in creating a working society. No religion or deity is needed in order to recognize the wisdom of the "Golden Rule."

An entirely adequate moral structure can be built founded on compassion, without the need for religion. Compassion leads to good behavior, unless you stretch the definition of "good" so far out of shape as to render it unrecognizable.

There is no "prejudice" vs atheists. Many of them remain hateful and antagonistic toward religionists. Further, the claim they are open minded is false on its face. I've debated many atheists over ten year period and none are open minded.


Your sample is not exhaustive. Many atheists are open-minded. Perhaps it is your shrill and accusatory manner that causes them to want nothing more to do with you, rather than any lack of "open-mindedness" on their part. If you want to see open-mindedness, you may want to try practicing it.

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    and here is why: people who grow up in China, for example, live in a moral environment largely based on teachings of GOD, like Golden Rule. On the other hand western atheists can be good to some... more
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