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sarge
Because the view is narrow.
Wed Aug 29, 2018 14:39
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All the environutters are banging on about transport, but ignoring the real elephant in the room.

My point is not that "heat engines" are maligned, its that Prius, electric cars, all that codswollop is engineered just to make hipsters and the self annointed smug, only because they don't give up anything, but appear to be "doing something".

The true devil is moderm manufacture. Petro-chem, pharm, the hideous waste produced making rare-earth magnets for electric cars and windmills, the refuse from all those stupid i-phones the self righteous buy on an upgrade basis, all kept nice and invisible so they can regale us with tripe that defies the laws of physics and engineering.

They don't see the power plant so the idea the energy in their Tesla is clean is never questioned in their narrow little minds, let alone the plastics, lithium (or worse, NMh). Then recycle one. The battery waste, the energy consummed to remanufacture, the Chinese getting paid to ship plastic back to China for re-use only to dump it halfway there and come back for another paying load.

I cannot help but believe my ten year old PT makes less of a total negative impact by keeping it for another ten years than a new Prius or Volt.

I cannot accept either the hipster version or the "there is no climate change" version. Both cloud the issue enough to leave it unsolved.

The heat engine is but a small part of the overall issue of pollutant inducing processes, but not having a phone, air-conditioning, Target, and personal transport is too inconvenient for the moderns to include, so they bang on about stuff that doesn't affect them or ignore the parts (as in electric cars) that do.

So, the answer isn't kill more Chinese with rare-earth magnet waste so more Parisiennes can live without smog. The real answer is to rewind to before the Industrial Revolution and somehow make it liveable.

Otherwise, acceptable reduction of all waste, gaseous, liquid, and solid, and assume some cost and inconvenience (death to smartphones; a manufacturing pollutant disaster) thereby.

Think how much of an envornmental impact it would have to throttle consumerism and just stop throwing stuff away that still works then buying new crap? Grin!

  • No I dont agree - mike, Wed Aug 29 13:14
    I like 'em as much as you do but the fact is that heat engines are an environmental disaster. Replacements? I dunno, nuclear fusion perhaps but yes you're right to point out that various... more
    • Because the view is narrow. - sarge, Wed Aug 29 14:39
      • I agree with - mike, Wed Aug 29 17:12
        Your last 3 sentences
        • For me, I'm good if just... - Sarge, Wed Aug 29 17:24
          ...the last complete sentence is good enough for you to agree with. That is the real low-hanger in this forest. You can also believe final fragment, too. ;-)
    • Of my article? I gave you all those lovely mechanisms to drool over!
      • Because... - Sarge, Wed Aug 29 14:41
        ...that passage seemed plucked from the environutter lexicon to make me feel guilty for drooling over those lovely images! Grin!
        • Absolutely no one - mike , Wed Aug 29 17:43
          Likes the products arising from the Industrial Revolution more than I do. I even like the smell of burning coal though smog is no fun at all. There it is though, fabulous fun and how lucky we were to ... more
          • Wogs means any foreigner - mike, Thu Aug 30 09:46
            I suddenly realised that remark could be misinterpreted but from a true blue Englishmans privately held opinion, everyone outside the British Isles is a wog! Certainly the French and Italians are,... more
            • No misinterpretation here. - sarge, Thu Aug 30 13:58
              Lord knows I've been told many times in America, "You ain't from here." Some days I feel like I "ain't" from anywhere. It can be depressing...
              • Regarding Worthy... - sarge, Thu Aug 30 14:04
                ...Oriental Gentleman, I have many times over many years heard the old saw, "The Wogs start in Calais." I had a very similar experience in Aldershot, except the shoe was on the other foot. "He might... more
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