RE 5040 Fall 2011
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Response to Whitney/Ashley
Sat Dec 3, 2011 11:27

Great job on your presentation! You two have done lots of work on your project. I liked that you put different levels of learners in each group. Did that make it harder to do your interventions? The gains that were made were great! Are you going to try to do this with the remaining of your class?

  • Whitney Fisher/Ashley Montgomery - koppenhaverd, Tue Nov 8 21:09
    Discuss Whitney and Ashley's kindergarten comprehension presentation here.
    • re: kindergarten comprehension - Ginger Landers, Wed Dec 14 22:07
      I liked how you used observational notes as part of your data collection and incorporated manipulatives to help your students retell the stories. Your strategies seemed very successful based on the... more
    • Re: Whitney Fisher/Ashley Montgomery - Ashley Joyce, Tue Dec 13 21:47
      Great research! Using manipulatives to retell the story is an excellent strategy! Rachel and I have thought about using it to further our ESL research. Thanks!
      • Re: Whitney Fisher/Ashley Montgomery - whitney fisher, Tue Dec 13 23:01
        Thanks! The students enjoyed being able to explain the story using the manipulatives. Someone else had the idea of having students draw parts of the story and using their illustrations to retell the... more
        • re: Whitney Fisher/Ashley Montgomery - Ginger Landers, Wed Dec 14 22:10
          I agree the manipulatives are a great idea along with drawing parts of the story. This helps reading be more enjoyable and engaging for students.
    • comprehension - Ruth Ann Timmons, Sun Dec 11 16:34
      Well done! Comprehension is both important and challenging at the same time for many students. It is amazing the expectations for comprehension in kindergarten these days too. Your graph made it... more
      • Re: comprehension - whitney fisher, Mon Dec 12 00:41
        Thank you! I like the idea of using popsicle sticks with pictures on them to retell the story and then putting them in a center for students to use later. That's a great way for students to keep... more
    • comprehension - Amanda Solesbee, Wed Dec 7 23:29
      Reading comprehension is a “hot topic” in my teaching world of 5th grade. So many of my students do not know how to comprehend and were never taught. They know some survival strategies, but how to... more
      • Summaries - Marlee Wright, Sun Dec 11 22:14
        I have also noticed students having a hard time distinguishing between important details and irrelevant ones. At kindergarten they tend to notice something little and focus their attention on that.... more
        • Re: Summaries - whitney fisher, Mon Dec 12 00:09
          I have noticed that too! It seems as though students either only use the pictures (and come up with details that have nothing to do with the actual story) or don't use the pictures at all even though ... more
      • Reply to Amanda - Whitney Fisher, Fri Dec 9 10:41
        Thanks for the feedback! It is nice to hear from teachers in older grades how important it is to teach comprehension and retell to students. It is interesting to see that students in 5th grade are... more
    • Re: Whitney Fisher/Ashley Montgomery - Nakita Carson, Tue Dec 6 19:18
      Great presentation! Comprehension in kindergarten is so crucial. It makes teaching reading and comprehension in upper grades a lot easier!
      • Re: Whitney Fisher/Ashley Montgomery - Ruth Ann Timmons, Sun Dec 11 16:56
        Nakita, you are so right- starting as early as kindergarten to work on comprehension is important. But it is crazy to hear 5 year olds say, "I think the author wrote the book to/because..." I have... more
      • Reply to Nakita - Whitney Fisher, Fri Dec 9 14:08
        So true! A lot of people on the thread have been commenting on how older students (4 or 5th grade) struggle with comprehension and retell. I think strategies like manipulatives and story structure... more
        • Re: Reply to Nakita - crousejs, Thu Dec 15 23:21
          I believe that comprehension strategies and modeling how to use those should start at a very young age. I have listened to many children retell a story they have just read/listened to and quite often ... more
    • Re: Whitney Fisher/Ashley Montgomery - Kara Scott, Mon Dec 5 18:24
      Great Presentation. Teaching story structure can always be tricky. Often in class we focus on the students who are struggling in one area or another. Why did you mix the groups with different levels? ... more
      • Grouping - Whitney Fisher, Sun Dec 11 00:14
        Thanks for your comments and question! We grouped our participants with a variety of different levels for a couple of reasons. Ashley knew that all 8 students were struggling with reading... more
      • story structure - Amanda Solesbee, Wed Dec 7 23:44
        I notice in my class that teaching story structure is very hard at times. They have to know the basics first, how to sequence and find main details before even thinking about the story structure. I... more
        • reply to amanda - whitney fisher, Sun Dec 11 00:18
          We were very basic in story structure because you're right it is hard to teach- especially with kindergarten students. We mainly focused on main character, setting, and sequence of events. We found... more
    • Reading Comprehension - Rachel Hicks, Mon Dec 5 18:22
      I love the idea of using the manipulatives to help the students retell the story. I am definitely going use this strategy with my students. I've never heard of the Irwin & Mitchell's retelling scale. ... more
      • Re: Reading Comprehension - Ruth Ann Timmons, Sun Dec 11 17:23
        Ditto Rachel. I like using manipulatives and props with my students. There are resource books out there that have clip art from popular stories perfect for retelling. I have used them in whole group, ... more
      • reply to Rachel - whitney fisher, Sun Dec 11 00:21
        Thanks! The Irwin and Mitchell's 5 Point Retell Scale was very easy to use and showed us how students were doing with retell and comprehension. I would definitely use it again in the classroom. I... more
    • Kindergarten Reading Comprehension - Sarah patten, Sun Dec 4 16:08
      Great work! Story Structure teaching is beneficial! Could the students draw their own picture of the setting? Characters? 3 events in the story (beginning, middle, end)-then you would keep putting... more
      • Drawing - Marlee Wright, Sun Dec 11 22:18
        Oooh, I like that idea! I may borrow it this week, in fact! We are working hard on setting and characters right now. I have to laugh when we ask "Where did the story happen?" and the student says "In ... more
        • Re: Drawing - Whitney Fisher, Mon Dec 12 14:16
          Awesome! I am glad that you will be able to use the idea. You never know what kinds of answers you will get from students!
      • Storyboard - Rachel Hicks, Mon Dec 5 18:24
        I love the idea of using the students pictures to create a storyboard. That would allow you to ask the students how did the characters get from point A to point B and so on.
      • Reply to Sarah - Whitney Fisher, Mon Dec 5 10:03
        That is a great idea about having the students draw the setting, characters, and events. I had not thought of that but I would definitely use that in the future. Students would be a part of creating... more
        • respond to Whitney - sarah patten, Mon Dec 5 17:21
          Yes I did work well! I did have to think about their art ability so I gave them a choice, if they were not into art they could write or I had them cut pictures from scrap magazines. Really... more
    • Response to Whitney/Ashley - beasleycm, Sat Dec 3 11:27
      • curious about participant selection - koppenhaverd, Sun Dec 4 17:07
        Very fine presentation. Methods question that wasn't explained (but can be in your paper): given your research questions, why did you pick kids above average? I know why I might do it, but what is... more
        • Re: curious about participant selection - Ashley Montgomery, Tue Dec 6 14:45
          We really wanted to see how all level of students would do with the intervention. I was curious to see if the higher level students would improve and at a faster rate. We found out that they did... more
          • Re: curious about participant selection - Ashley Montgomery, Tue Dec 6 14:51
            I didn't really think about the benefit of peer modeling when we selected the students. It turned out that the higher level students made predictions and connections early in the intervention. The... more
      • Re: Response to Whitney/Ashley - Ashley Montgomery, Sun Dec 4 10:33
        I liked having the different levels of learners in each group. I thought they really did a great job of learning from each other. It seemed like when one student would start making predictions or... more
    • reading comprehension - Tonya Isenhour, Fri Dec 2 19:08
      Ashley and Whitney, It appears your research was successful according to your chart. I was surprised at how much growth some of the students made in such a short amount of time. Good presentation.
    • Increasing comprehension - Marlee Wright, Thu Dec 1 21:24
      I was really interested in your research topic - new techniques to help the students to do a high-quality retell could be of benefit to us all. I really liked the thought of using manipulatives to... more
      • RE: - Rachel Hicks, Mon Dec 5 18:27
        I agree, you provided a clear and easy to follow format. Although, I can never be that organized or neat I am going to try. I agree with Marlee, I can't believe I never thought to use manipulatives... more
        • RE: - Nakita Carson, Tue Dec 6 19:21
          Manipulatives during reading is a great idea! I would love to be able to do that in 3rd grade! I wonder if it would be possible?
          • Re Manipulatives - whitney fisher, Sun Dec 11 00:27
            I definitely think it's possible. One study we looked at had students create and imagine what occurred in the scene. It was a part of the retell process. Students could also draw their own characters ... more
      • Re: Increasing comprehension - Ashley Montgomery, Fri Dec 2 16:16
        Hey Marlee! I am glad that we gave you some new ideas. I really liked the manipulative strategy and I thought it worked really well. When we were conducting the story elements strategy we focused on... more
    • reply to Whitney/Ashley - Lori Vestal, Thu Dec 1 18:01
      I had never thought about using manipulatives for the students to retell stories. I do not get to do many read alouds since most of my day is pulling students into small groups. Most of the time I am ... more
    • Ashley and Whitney - sarah hutson, Thu Dec 1 00:19
      I love how your research lead you to use story structure to enhance reading comprehension. Don't you just love how some students cannot tell you anything, while others tell you EVERY detail? Kids are ... more
      • Re: Ashley and Whitney - Ruth Ann Timmons, Sun Dec 11 17:07
        Sarah, you bring up a great point. It is interesting to witness the wide range of ability to retell my kindergarten students can have. From experience I've found those students with strong verbal... more
      • Reply to Sarah - fisherwn, Thu Dec 1 15:04
        It really is amazing to hear students retell stories- you never know what they are going to say! We definitely noticed that the students were more concise in their retell in the posttest. The 1-5... more
    • Story Element Intervention - atkinssh, Thu Dec 1 00:01
      Hi, Ladies. Nice job with your research! I really liked the idea of using manipulatives to help students with retell. I think this would be useful in all grade levels with students who struggle with... more
      • back to participant selection - koppenhaverd, Sun Dec 4 17:20
        Sarah has provided a marvellous rationale for including higher kids. Is that what you had in mind? Or something different? I'm still hung up on the original research questions. One track mind :-)
        • Reply to Participant Selection - Whitney Fisher, Mon Dec 5 12:24
          It was definitely interesting having four students of varying ability participate in the group. Our research questions were about improving comprehension in kindergarten students. At the beginning of ... more
          • Peer modeling - Marlee Wright, Wed Dec 7 22:09
            I like this idea. I think that too often we get "hung up" on ability grouping - I know that I do - and this provides good rationale for mixed groups. I will try keeping this in mind.
      • story element intervention - sarah patten, Sun Dec 4 16:13
        I think it is super that you had different ability children in each group! Whether the child learns the strategy from you or their peer-the modeling is still there!
        • Re: story element intervention - Ruth Ann Timmons, Sun Dec 11 16:45
          I agree Sarah, utilizing peers to provide modeling is a great strategy. Kids often learn a great deal from each other and enjoy cooperative group activities.
        • Story Element Comprehension - burchamal, Thu Dec 8 16:13
          Even though I teach 4th grade, I find that the more often there is a discussion about story elements and the more practice is given, the more students understand those crucial story elements.... more
        • Re: story element intervention - Nakita Carson, Tue Dec 6 20:38
          I agree! Peer modeling is a great tool!
      • Re: Story Element Intervention - Ashley Montgomery, Thu Dec 1 15:06
        I really tried to make sure my quieter students got a chance to participate. We took turn talking around the circle so that everyone could say something. I started with a different student each time... more
        • Re: Ashley - burchamal, Sat Dec 10 07:34
          I think that's a great idea to encourage everyone to share. That is true that those students who are low will tend to repeat what someone else says, but that is building confidence so eventually they ... more
        • modeling and peers - Amanda Solesbee, Wed Dec 7 23:38
          Modeling is very important. It is that first time learning that kids really need to experience and hear and see it done correctly. Sometimes if seen or heard wrong, that is what stays in their head... more
        • repy to ashley - Lori Vestal, Thu Dec 1 17:58
          I agree that at times students learn more from each other. Sometimes when I know a student has a grasp on a concept and he wants to help another, I just stand back and observe. I am usually amazed... more
    • Grouping/Assessments - MaryBeth, Wed Nov 30 09:37
      You did a nice job on your presentation. It was very clear and easy to understand. I really liked both of the interventions you used to help with comprehension. You stated it well at the end of the... more
      • 5-point scale - Marlee Wright, Thu Dec 1 21:18
        I also liked the Irwin and Mitchell scale. It gives really clear levels which indicate the quality of a retell. I am going back to your references/resources to find the article which tells about this ... more
        • Re: 5-point scale - whitney fisher, Mon Dec 12 00:07
          You're welcome! It is a great scale to use for retell and comprehension. The article also includes information about using story maps to teach problems, main characters, goals, beginning, and ending. ... more
      • Re: Grouping/Assessments - Ashley Montgomery , Wed Nov 30 16:53
        I didn't really see any problems with the way that we had them grouped. Some of the lower students even tried a little harder. When we gave the Irwin and Mitchell retell I used a book they had not... more
        • re: grouping/assessments - MaryBeth, Mon Dec 5 10:24
          I'm glad your groups worked well! It's good to hear that it seemed to motivate the lower students. Thanks for the info on your assessments. I think you guys saw really great growth in your students... more
    • Reading Comprehension - beasleylm, Wed Nov 30 07:30
      Great presentation! I really liked the strategies that you all used and the books you used to help your students better comprehend. I think the manipulatives are a great way to help students of any... more
      • Re: Reading Comprehension - Ashley Montgomery, Wed Nov 30 16:55
        I think I will continue using the manipulatives for the rest of the school year. It worked out really well, so I would like to try it with all of my students. I have a couple of boys who are really... more
        • puppets? - koppenhaverd, Sun Dec 4 17:10
          Rob Tierney did an interesting comp study with figures of characters, including one for the kid retelling the story. The kids would manipulate the characters and themselves (to show where they were... more
          • Re: puppets? - Ashley Montgomery, Tue Dec 6 14:55
            I think that puppets would be a really great idea to use for retell. We thought about using something like that but I didn't have any small puppets, I had no money to buy any, and just no time to... more
            • puppets - Amanda Solesbee, Wed Dec 7 23:34
              Puppets are a great idea!! I have used that in the past- I had a grade mom make them for me- or sometimes she pulled the kids and made them during class as a station while I did my small group... more
              • Re: puppets - whitney fisher, Mon Dec 12 14:19
                That's a great idea. I get so closed minded and I need to open up and be creative! I can see students love being able to act out scenes with the puppets. For older students, I have had them do... more
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RE 5040 Fall 2011