Mon Sep 7, 2015 10:50

Yes, Melanie I agree with you 100%, and I was so glad to read this and hear Dr. K address this as well. Even parents ask why their children are being assessed on words that have no meaning! I do not feel that it is an accurate measure of students reading ability. I had the same thing happen when I was in first grade last year. Students NWF wouldn't "agree" or "correspond" with their actual reading ability/ level. I also had students who could decode those "make-believe" words letter by letter extremely well, but could not read a grade-level appropriate text with fluency or good comprehension.

  • Nonsense Words - Melanie McLeod, Mon Sep 7 10:19
    I understand that the K-3 Dibels Reading Assessment uses Nonsense Word Fluency to determine if primary-grade students can decode short-vowel CVC words. However, I agree with the author and you that... more
    • Re: Nonsense Words - shannonsilver, Mon Sep 7 16:33
      Question.....Do you all see that students that are learning to find meaning in reading independently have a harder time with NMF tasks because their brains are trying to find meaning in everything... more
      • Re: Nonsense Words - candithompson, Tue Sep 22 11:23
        I have had many of my high readers struggle with NWF. When I talk with parents, teachers or principal I have always stated my opinion that I do not look at their NWF. Just like in the lecture Dr.... more
      • Nonsense Words - walshjm2, Sat Sep 12 21:31
        Shannon, as I read your question about children who are already reading for meaning, and how they can sometimes have a difficult time with NWF drills, I was reminded of my own daughter when she was... more
      • Nonsense words - Regina, Wed Sep 9 21:39
        Shannon, I teach second grade and I have experienced many students that are on grade level or above do poorly on the nonsense words. I feel the same as you... that they are trying to find meaning in... more
        • Nonsense Words - walshjm2, Sat Sep 12 21:14
          One point that I pulled from Dr. Koppenhaver's lecture was that nonsense words should not be used in Special Education. As a Special Education teacher, this really makes logical sense to me, because... more
      • NWF - joanne abrams, Tue Sep 8 19:49
        Hey Shannon, I was thinikng about your question and this is what I notice with assessing NWF. I do not notice my students struggling with NWF but rather the reverse, but in a sort of problamatic way... more
        • NWF - shannonsilver, Tue Sep 8 23:17
          The reason I asked was that once students realize that the words they are reading are to mean something to them it seems like it would be hard to make them read nonsense words because they are moving ... more
    • NWF - brittanyavery, Mon Sep 7 10:50
      • NWF - joanne abrams, Mon Sep 7 11:30
        Brittany, I agree as well. The NWF assessment is hit or miss at best. I have experienced so many mixed results it's hard to know which students it's reliable for. For example, several of the students ... more
        • Re: NWF - brittanyavery, Mon Sep 7 11:32
          Yes, knowing letter sounds is basically the only thing it's good for!
          • Aggravating - Melanie McLeod, Mon Sep 7 12:34
            Yes....then it's crazy that we have to take quality instructional time out of our lessons to practice and monitor Nonsense Word fluency. I hope they eventually eliminate this part of the assessment... more
            • Aggravating - Regina, Wed Sep 9 17:16
              I agree! I have always disliked the nonsense word assessment. Not only do we have to assess each student, but then we have to take the time to progress monitor the students that are not proficient.... more
              • Re: Aggravating - byrdaw, Mon Sep 14 18:33
                I would like to be informed of that reason as well. I believe there are numerous other ways to assess if students have the ability to decode words without using nonsense words. Are there other... more
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