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John Andrew Hutchison
Re: Re Mcgregor line
Fri Mar 16, 2012 04:38
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Hi Elizabeth,

I have two entries for Dougal in the South Perthshire Monumental Inscriptions;

Callander cemetery 1858 Dougal McGregor died Dullater 5.9.1838 aged 72, wife Cath Cameron died 28.8.1847 aged 76. Peter Comrie MacGregor 21.1.1920 aged 76.

Callander cemetery 1835 by Dougal McGregor in Easter Duiletter and wife Cath Cameron in memory of son Francis student of medicine died Glasgow 12.5.1833 aged 26 interned here 15.5.1833.

Easter Dullater farm is on the eastern shore of Loch Venachar, south of Kilmahog, and south west of Callander. Kilmahog is in an area called Leny, at the southern end of Strathyre.

The alias name usually reflectes the name of the estate owner where the MacGregor family lived. For example;

Buchanan=Buchanans of Arnprior, Buchanans of Leny.
Campbell=Dukes of Argyll.
Grahame=Dukes of Montrose, Earls of Kincardine.
Murray=Dukes of Atholl.

So it was a kind of feudal pledge of allegiance, which could change, and sometimes the same person could have several aliases. In the eighteenth century alias names were also taken from Jacobite leaders;
Drummond=William Macgregor Drummond of Balhaldie.
Graham=John Graham of Dundee.

Also, the name McAlpine seems to be used to indicate that the family was independent of the Scottish aristocracy.

As a guess, I think Donald Buchanan MacGregor could be from the family of Donald and Mary Ferguson;

1726 Donald Buchanan/Mary Ferguson [ - ] Rushachan
1731 Donald Buchanan/... Ferguson Christin Ruchnacraig
1738 Donald Buchanan/Mary Fergusone Donald Ruskachin
1750 Donald Buchanan/... Duncan Ruscachan
1751 Donald Buchanan/Elizabeth [ - ] Wester Ruscachan
1754 Donald Buchanan/Janet McIlldhuin Dougall Wester Ruscachan
1755 Donald Buchanan/Janet Mcilldhuin alias McMartine Mary

But he could also be from this family;

1730 Callum Roy McGregor/... Buchanan Janet Easter Ruskachan
1732 Malcolm Murray late McGregor + Janet Buchanan [both this parish]
1733 Malcolm Roy McGregor/...Buchanan Donald Easter Ruskeachin
1738 Malcolm/Janet Buchanan Jean Easter Ruskachin
1738 Malcolm Murray alias Cally Liach/Janet Buchanan Janet Kirkton of Balquhidder (Liach is Gaelic and relates to a medical things)
1740 Callum Doctor alias Malcolm Murray/Janet Buchanan Kirkton Balq. Rannald

Both families are connected to Rusgachan, and their names are also the names of Donald's children, (Colin=Malcolm, Margaret=Mary).

There's also;

1728 Malcolm McCally/Katrine McNie Glenogle [ - ] [Margaret]
1734 Malcolm McCallum [Calman?] /Katherine McNie Christin Runnoich of Glengyle
1736 Malcolm McCally/... McNee Donald Romoch

(Katherine=Christian)

And possibly;

1730 Donald Ban + Cirstin Coskerach [both this parish]
1731 Donald Ban/Christian Coskerach Anne Easter Achtow
1735 Donald Ban Mor McGregor/Christian Coskarach James Easter Achtow
1737 Donald/Christian Cosk Donald Ardoch
1737 Donald Ban/Christane Ferguson Duncan Ardoch
1739 Donald Ban More McGregor/Christian Coskaroch Janet Ardoich?
1742 Donald/Christian Coskaroch Ewen Kirkton
1744 Donald Drummond/Christian Coskerach Donald Kirkton
1746 Donald Drummond McGregor/Chr Coskerach Donald sponsor: John McEwan

or;

1729 Donald/ Katharen McCail John Craig Killin
1732 Donald / Katharen McCaal Jannet Cra[ig] Killin
1735 Donald Glass McG/Katharen McCail Finlay (Craig) Killin
1739 Donald/Katharen McFail Donald Craig Killin

or;

1727 Grigor/Janet Grigor Innerlochlarigmor
1729 Grigor/Janet Steuart Katharine Wester Drumlich
1731 Grigor/Janet Donald Innerchardoch
1734 Grigor/Janet Janet Innercharnoch

or;

1731 Malcolm Mor McGregor/Mhor McLaren Donald shepherd in Glengyle Brea of Balq.
1735 Malcolm/Mhor McLaren Callum Wester Drumlich

As well as the changing surnames, the Christian names could also change. This is because their first language was Gaelic, so they may use the Gaelic name, the Scott's English name, of the English equivalent. There's a useful Gaelic/English Substitute Names table on this site;

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rykbrown/principal_families.htm

On the same page there's also a Glossary of Gaelic Nicknames, and a translation of place names. I use this site a lot, the main page is;

http://www.chuckspeed.com/balquhidder/balquhidder%20stewarts.html

Although it relates to the Stewart history of Balquhidder, there's crossover to MacGregor history, and the site has a lot of information on it.

If you're interested, another site I use for place names is;

http://www.stronvar.com/balquhidder/vilgaelicfull.htm

Sometimes it's useful to know what a name means as there may be several variations in the parish register.

I haven't looked at my own research into Balquhidder for a while, but I've started to get interested in it again following your posts.

John.

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Dougal Mcgregor — Elizabeth Todd, Mon Feb 27 13:29

I'm having trouble tracing my great-great-great grandfather, Dougal McGregor - who married in 1791 in Blaquhidder(to Cathrine Cameron). He later moved to Callander. Working on the dates from his... more
Re: Dougal Mcgregor — James King, Tue Feb 28 02:39

Elizabeth: was away from my files when I answered you previously. It is DUNCAN OG not Donald Og. Sorry about that. Must be dementia (or a wee bit too much Scotch). Jim
Re: Dougal Mcgregor — James King, Tue Feb 28 01:43

Cousin Elizabeth: This may be a long shot (but then again, maybe not, as Balquhidder has never been a very big place!), but the probability exists that one of your ancestors was Donald Og MacGregor... more
John MacGregor/MacAra the Elder — Cynthia Cloughly, Sun Oct 14 10:53

Hey there, Cousin (or so I think!). I believe I've traced part of my ancestry to John King and his father, John MacAra (or MacGregor) the Elder of the Dougal Ciar MacGregors of/in Balquhidder,... more
Re: John MacGregor/MacAra the Elder — James King, Mon Oct 15 02:24

Cousin Cynthia: I've got the lineage all the way back. Contact me at ziageo2@hotmail.com and I'll be more than happy to send you what I've got (over 650 pages of it). Cousin Jim PS: would like to see ... more
Re Donald McGregor — Elizabeth Todd, Fri Mar 2 09:17

I think this may drive me crazy..... There is a lot of confusing information out there - including sites which say Gregor Og was Rob Roy's grandfather. (I'm using the Clan Macfarlan site as a guide... more
Re: Re Donald McGregor — John Andrew Hutchison, Sat Mar 3 06:56

Hi Elizabeth, Ronald's son Donald was an innkeeper in Balquhidder, but I have the impression his father's links to distillery were more informal. I think it was a common hobby at the time to... more
Re Catherin Cameron — Elizabeth Todd, Sat Mar 3 12:19

Hi John Thanks for that bit of information. (This is when I think I'm losing it - I've tried searching every which way on the Familysearch.org site, and it doesn't show it. I did find Alexander... more
Re: Re Catherin Cameron — John Andrew Hutchison, Sun Mar 4 02:20

Hi Elizabeth, To find her I went to; http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp I entered Kath Cameron Birth/Christening 1771 +/- 2 yrs in Scotland. I then opened Matches:... more
Re: Re Catherin Cameron — John Andrew Hutchison, Mon Mar 12 10:52

Hi Elizabeth, I had a root through my notes on Balquhidder at the weekend and I think you're right, Dougal's parental family was probably; 1763 Donald Buchanan alias McGregor married Christian... more
Re Dougal McGregor & Catherine Mcgregor — Elizabeth Todd, Tue Mar 13 15:18

Hi Thanks for the information. Just to clarify - is Alexander Cameron and Helen Morison the ones who married 1769 in Comrie? (Just to be confusing there is an Alexander Cameron and Janet Morison in... more
Re: Re Dougal McGregor & Catherine Mcgregor — John Andrew Hutchison, Wed Mar 14 01:12

I think they're the same. I can't see any children to Alex and Janet, only Alex and Helen. The marriages are only a few weeks apart, and it was common practice to record a marriage in two parishes... more
Re Mcgregor line — Elizabeth Todd, Thu Mar 15 12:18

Hi John Thanks for your help. (I had a break from the McGregor line for a week - had to give my brain a break. I've decided to have another go..) It's very confusing with differing dates etc...... more
Re: Re Mcgregor line — John Andrew Hutchison, Fri Mar 16 04:38
Re Donald Buchanan's family — Elizabeth Todd, Sat Apr 14 16:36

Hi John (Thanks for all the information - especially concerning maps. I found the NLS Ordnance Survey maps helpful.) I've been sitting looking as the Balq. Baptisms list - going 'round and 'round in... more
Re Balquhidder — Elizabeth Todd, Sat Mar 17 09:01

Thanks John The information has been helpful. Is there an online map available of Balquhidder parish and surrounding parishes that mark all these places of the 1600/1700s? I find it hard to place... more
Ordance Survey maps — Jim M'Gregor, Sun Mar 18 14:55

Try http://streetmap.co.uk . Some of the old farms are shown unless you zoom in.
maps of Scotland — Gkeir, Sun Mar 18 02:53

The following website has wonderful old maps of Scotland. I have found places I was looking for on these maps. www.maps.nls.uk Grace
Re: Re Balquhidder — John Andrew Hutchison, Sat Mar 17 23:32

Hi, I use this site; http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html But it's fiddly. For modern maps I use Bing; http://www.bing.com/maps You can change the Road view to Ordnance Survey, and the OS maps have... more
Re Balquhidder — Grant Drummond (MacGregor), Mon Mar 19 21:00

A site that I have found to be rather useful is http://www.nls.uk/maps/ It has some rather lovely maps of Scotland (and some very basic as well) with some that go back as far as 1560. I should... more
Re: Re Donald McGregor — James King, Sat Mar 3 00:04

Elizabeth: it might be safer to use the Clan Gregor website as your guide :) Rob Roy's ancestry (for three generations) is as follows: Robert Roy Campbell [MacGregor](Rob Roy) Donald Glas Stewart... more
Re Duncan Og MacGregor — Elizabeth Todd, Sat Mar 3 12:22

Hi Jim Thanks for your help. Re the Clan Macgregor site, I've found all the historical information, transcribed historical documents etc - but I can't seem to find a family tree especially from... more
John MacGregor 1791 - 1851 — Julie MacGregor, Tue Mar 6 22:24

Hi Elizabeth, I noticed that you said you have gor back as far as Rob Roy, I'm missing a generation or 2 between John MacGregor b1791 married Elizabeth Anderson. We are supposed to be related to Rob... more
Re Rob Roy — Elizabeth Todd, Wed Mar 7 08:04

I'm probably the last person to ask - I was researching my ancestor Dougal Mcgregor.... there may or may not be a link to Rob Roy. (Probably distant, if there is one.) If you read through the replies ... more
Re: Re Duncan Og MacGregor — James King, Sat Mar 3 15:20

Beth: try this website. The Family Tree of Rob Roy MacGregor at hal_macgregor.tripod.com/gregor/tree.html. Jim
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