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i think wasps originally asked if we could add a extra 2000 to adams park .

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Does anyone else feel that if Wasps — BD, Thu May 10 11:28

stay in the district, and move into a shiny new stadium then this will only hasten the ultimate demise of Wycombe Wanderers FC ?
- Or maybe WWFC will also move to shiny stadium — Anonymous, Fri May 11 10:21
  
  Ha ! that would be a turnaround if WWFC end up paying rent to play in Wasps shiny new stadium (within 5 miles naturally)
- the only thing worse then staying at AP — Tase, Thu May 10 14:06
  
  is moving out to a close location. That would utterly be terrible
- The last thing WWFC needs is a sporting rival — Benny, Thu May 10 12:30
  
  especially one that competes at the top (most of the time at least). They will continue to have a negative impact on our revenue streams. Whilst they remain in High Wycombe they will attract... more
- - Re: The last thing WWFC needs is a sporting rival — BD, Thu May 10 13:24
    
    Also with a shiny new 17500 seat stadium up the road and mounting maintenance costs to keep Adams Park afloat, how long before the owners of WWFC (who ever they may be) decide that the only option is ... more
  - - Yes, that is an all-too likely scenario — Benny, Thu May 10 13:27
      
      Sorry, I don't know who owns Holloways Park.
    - - Re: Yes, that is an all-too likely scenario — Anon, Thu May 10 14:46
        
        Lord Burnham , I believe
  - Nail on the head Benny — Makka Pakka, Thu May 10 12:46
    
    They are a negative impact on the football club no matter that the monetary benefit allegedly is. If WW prospective new owners come out with pro Wa*p* propaganda then they will lose my support in one ... more
  - - I am willing to keep an open mind about this — Bill Turnbull's Twitch, Thu May 10 14:19
      
      For me, the problem with the Booker debacle was the way that Wasps, Hayes and WSDL tried to IMPOSE their project on the football club and the town without proper consultation, with a crappy proposal... more
    - - Me too. — Ralph Coates, Thu May 10 14:28
        
        I completely agree. Unlike some others I think that stadium sharing MAY be the most pragmatic option in this day and age, though I wholeheartedly concur with Benny's view that a) it should be clearly ... more
      - Re: Me too. — Bill Turnbull's Twitch, Thu May 10 14:39
        
        I just hope that any new regime(s) who takes over will have the experience, professionalism and the ability to take on a stadium joint venture, if required. Stephen Hayes does not have those... more
    - The biggest problem for me is we shall never know — Benny , Thu May 10 13:00
      
      How good, or bad, have London Wasps been for WWFC? I'm not sure it is even possible to produce meaningful figures and reasonings to make a case either way? Moreover it is not in anyone's interest to... more
    - - I'm not sure I see the downside though? — Anonymous, Thu May 10 13:04
        
        Ignoring the booker stadium idea I don't see how Wasps have (or would in the future) impact my view on Wycombe Wanderers FC or any home or away game at the club. At the beginning the pitch was... more
      - I have explained some of the downsides in my post above — Benny, Thu May 10 13:11
        
        How much income is lost by Wycombe Wanderers to London Wasps through... sponsorship? advertising? corporate hospitality? match tickets? matchday food and drink? merchandising? press coverage?
        Sorry not sure I understand. — Anonymous, Thu May 10 13:17
        
        Are you saying we currently (with Wasps as tennants) could possibly have lost out on income through your list? Or are you meaning future income loss if Wasps leave the stadium but stay in the area?
        Yes to both (nm) — Benny, Thu May 10 13:26
        
        Hmmm! Not sure I agree. — Anonymous, Thu May 10 13:45
        
        I see the latter being a problem because Wasps home games could coincide with Wycombe home games, which would have a direct impact on attendance. At least at the moment, home supporters can choose to ... more
        Re: Hmmm! Not sure I agree. — Benny, Thu May 10 14:05
        
        Here is a link to all the average attendances since moving to Adams Park > http://www.chairboys.co.uk/history/adamspark-attendances.htm Any benefit to the local area is separate debate. I am... more
        Re: Hmmm! Not sure I agree. — Bill Turnbull's Twitch, Thu May 10 14:26
        
        Well no one really knows, Benny, until someone does the research and number-crunching to put forward some projections. But it does need to be done via independent research from an organisation who do ... more
        I am not sure whether WWFC or LW have that information — Benny, Thu May 10 14:50
        
        so any independent research would be even more difficult.
        Re: I am not sure whether WWFC or LW have that information — Bill Turnbull's Twitch, Thu May 10 14:56
        
        Not necessarily. One form of research could be by gauging the opinions and spending patterns of individual supporters, people in the town and the businesses in relation to both clubs. Such statistics ... more
        I have those stats! — av8r, Fri May 11 22:40
        
        I think. Savill's conducted research in 2010that formed part of the input to the Strategic Outline Business Case that was submitted to WDC in Juky 2011. It gave an extensive assessment of estimated... more
        Exactly — Anonymous, Thu May 10 15:02
        
        Which is why I asked about attendances. If attendances have been pretty static (and looking at the link Benny kindly provided, shows it has) then Wasps would not have the impact of "go to one of the... more
        Your whole post is one huge assumption — Benny, Thu May 10 15:10
        
        based on little to no fact whatsoever. There is not necessarily a correlation between Wasps arrival as tenants and attendances. The link I provided does not show them as static either. Our average... more
        Re: Your whole post is one huge assumption — Bill Turnbull's Twitch, Thu May 10 17:43
        
        That's right, Benny. Raw attendance figures only tell part of the story. You can glean some information from the club data bases as to attendance patterns. Deeper research involve approaching current ... more
        i would be more interested... — peter parrot face, Thu May 10 14:03
        
        to know the effect on operational costs on WWFC caused by Wasps, particularly having been owned by the same person over the past few years. Overlap on staff and expenditure has never been clarified.
        Re: i would be more interested... — Ralph Coates, Thu May 10 14:52
        
        Does: a) increased operational cost combined with b) potential decreased revenue per Benny's previous posts outweigh c) the rental income? Item b) would probably be very difficult to quantify; one... more
        The staffing costs have been split 50/50 between the ... — Ed, Thu May 10 14:14
        
        .. two clubs, although there is quite a large gap between the work done on behalf of Wasps and the work done on behalf of WWFC. That's a view from about a year ago, from various different inside... more
        its all guesswork from me... — peter parrot face, Thu May 10 14:54
        
        For example, I notice Chris Thomas as CEO of Wasps made a statement on their website this week, but I have never seen one on the WWFC site. But presumably he is paid 50/50? How about when gasroomers... more
        I can't speak for this season — Ed, Thu May 10 15:49
        
        but I understand that the costs for the office staff are split 50/50. That's all. Whether it's a problem ringing the club and them answering as if they are a different entity, I suppose that's very... more
        either that — our frank, Thu May 10 20:37
        
        or shrugged their shoulders and said "stuff it". For what it's worth, I think your posts today have been spot on.
        Another excellent point — Benny, Thu May 10 14:06
        
        I wonder whether we will ever know this information.
- Why would it? — M3G, Thu May 10 12:07
  
  The further out of Wycombe the better in my veiw for Wasps, but thats just my opinion. Wycombe will never demise. The club will alway function in one way or another at what ever level it best adapts... more
- I don't see why it would — Ed, Thu May 10 12:07
  
  Basically, there are two acceptable arrangements: 1. Wasps come to AP as tenants and do their own thing on their own day without bothering us. Fine 2. Wasps decide that they are renting somewhere... more
- - RFU Capacity requirement is 10,000 — av8r, Fri May 11 22:46
    
    Not what others may claim it to be. This isn't based on heresay (although it could be considered heresy!). It was as a result of writing to RFU for a definitive answer. They were exceedingly helpful... more
  - ed the new stadium was hayes idea — fred, Thu May 10 12:16
  - - Yes, Hayes, acting as owner of and on behalf of Wasps — Ed, Thu May 10 12:27
      
      The original idea would have been far more worthwhile
    - Didn't Beeks say — Floyd, Thu May 10 12:18
      
      If it wasn't for wasps we would never have looked at leaving AP?
    - - if hayes wasnt in charge it would never of happened — fred, Thu May 10 12:27
        
        regardless of what wasps said
      - I don't disagree — Floyd, Thu May 10 12:33
        
        But can you differentiate between what Wasps want and what the man who owns Wasps wants?
- Life could be interesting! — Beancounter The Second, Thu May 10 11:47
  
  If the sale goes ahead (and I say IF because there doesn't appear to be anything definite yet and various reports in the press keep putting the proposed decision date backwards) then it will depend... more
- Re: Does anyone else feel that if Wasps — aok, Thu May 10 11:40
  
  Dont no about that i would be more worried that reading in the premiership and possibility about the franchise being in the championship the not so loyal fan could easily go and watch them instead of ... more
- Re: Does anyone else feel that if Wasps — Anonymous, Thu May 10 11:38
  
  Great for the local economy if Wasps stay local, we just do not want them in our stadium, I wish them well.
- nope more like if hayes stays — fred, Thu May 10 11:33
  
  i don't get the hate for wasps before hayes turned up it wasn't a problem
- - Re: nope more like if hayes stays — Bill Turnbull's Twitch, Thu May 10 14:31
    
    I do think there were problems before Hayes but when he arrived, he made things much worse.

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