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Future without Centre of Excellence — A Worboys, Sat Jun 9 09:12

Very disappointing news about the C of E but hardly surprising given the Premiership's stance on youth players. Hopefully this will finally dispel the myth trotted out by both sports' authorities &... more
- An Excellent Post, Mr Worboys (nm) — Eddie Monsoon, Sun Jun 10 11:31
- Ooh look - a hole — HW, Sat Jun 9 11:28
  
  So you think that a player who has been released by a Premiership Club will want to play under the regime you describe? Strangely the lower leagues are not populated with such players. There is a... more
- - I think a player released my a Premiership club ... — Ed, Sun Jun 10 11:01
    
    .. will probably still wish to persue a career in football and will aim for the highest level that they can achieve. A lot of them will end up in the Championship, a lot of them in Division One and a ... more
  - You don't think the bottom two divisions — Weltschmerz, Sat Jun 9 11:51
    
    are populated with players who have been released by Premier League clubs? A quick look at our current squad reveals the following: Nikki Bull was at Aston Villa; Grant Basey was at Charlton... more
  - - Dont forgrt Anthony Grant; Chelsea — Anonymous, Sun Jun 10 00:11
      
      and, Jordan Ibe Charlton - OK not premiership, but a big club.
    - You think that's convincing? — HW, Sat Jun 9 16:50
      
      Apart from factual inaccuracies (Bull was at QPR, for example) several of those players were brought in from clubs known to the managers/coaches at the time (especially of course Aldershot). They... more
    - - Connections to Wycombe district!! — Hopscotchwillie, Sat Jun 9 22:28
        
        The last player to truly have this was Mark West - and guess what - there was no centre of excellence back then!
      - Re: you think that's convincing — HP12, Sat Jun 9 19:18
        
        How many local lads were attending the Centre of Excellence at the present time? How many local lads have played for the Club in the last 20 years? Frank Adams left the town a Legacy, we should do... more
      - Re: Re: you think that's convincing — Coleman603, Sat Jun 9 22:54
        
        I can only speak about the U9's and 10's, but actually there were quite a few local lads and they had a particularly exciting crop of talent. The U9's were virtually unbeaten and made many academy... more
        Re: Re: you think that's convincing — Nutty Boy, Mon Jun 11 12:38
        
        Coleman603, I have to say I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I am sure that the COE was the envoy of many of the other 71 league clubs. From my experience the setup was first class with... more
        You are indulging in guesswork — Weltschmerz, Sun Jun 10 10:27
        
        None of us can claim Frank Adams would have be mortified about a decision made over 30 years after his sad passing. The reaction to the decision to close the C of E show it was far from an easy... more
        How did our CofE compare to those of other clubs — BD, Mon Jun 11 14:26
        
        of a similar size to WWFC? Was ours significantly bigger in terms of staff numbers, cost to run etc ?
        Re: You are indulging in gueswork — Coleman603, Mon Jun 11 11:41
        
        I agree that we can't speculate on other's take on this decision, especially the deceased, but I would've hoped that most people would have been mortified. Sadly I don't elicit any sense that this is ... more
        The script must have changed — tax dodge wherever you may be, Sun Jun 10 19:16
        
        I thought not moving to Booker was going to condemn us to Wycombe Sunday Combination football down the Rye.
      - I was refuting your argument — Weltschmerz, Sat Jun 9 17:07
        
        that Premier League players do not filter down into the bottom two divisions. Nikki Bull was at Aston Villa before joining QPR. There is no reason why managers/coaches bring in young players from... more
      - That should say "why managers/coaches shouldn't bring..." (nm) — Weltschmerz, Sat Jun 9 17:10
      - Hypothetically — Chris, Sat Jun 9 17:01
        
        Imagine there is a young footballer, talented but not quite good enough for the Premier League. What career do they choose?
- Heart and future of the club — Coleman603, Sat Jun 9 11:16
  
  Personally I think it's a tragedy that the youth system has been sacrificed as a short-term remedy. Having witnessed just how professional the CofE has been over the past year I'm amazed that it has... more
- - In recent years, how many players from CoE have become — Anonymous, Sat Jun 9 11:19
    
    first team regulars?
  - - The following players have come through to the first team — Weltschmerz, Sat Jun 9 12:48
      
      Since 1997/98 Danny SENDA 315 appearances (247 starts, 68 sub) Roger JOHNSON 182 appearances (169 starts, 13 sub) Andy BAIRD 103 appearances (69 starts, 34 sub) Maurice HARKIN 93 appearances (40... more
    - - Just out of interest, of those players listed — Anonymous, Sun Jun 10 00:22
        
        How many were registered with the WWFC C of E before reaching the age of 15? I am sure a good few of those listed were actually signed on being released from other clubs. Roger Johnson, Jordan Ibe... more
      - That information isn't freely available I'm afraid (nm) — Weltschmerz, Sun Jun 10 10:17
        
        Danny Senda cannot be — Anonymous, Sun Jun 10 10:05
        
        included as we signed him after his release from Southhampton for continual misdemeanours.
        Players were included if they played youth team — Weltschmerz, Sun Jun 10 10:19
        
        football for WWFC before going on to appear for the first team. Danny Senda played youth team football for WWFC during the 1998/99 season.
        In that case — Jonny King, Sun Jun 10 11:09
        
        Couldn't you add Russ Martin to that list too? Pretty sure he was signed as an 18 y.o from Brighton and played a few games for the youth team in his first season.
        Perhaps, although he was already 18 when he signed — Weltschmerz, Sun Jun 10 11:29
        
        in July 2004. Including him on the list is probably stretching the point when debating players we've brought through the youth system into our first team.
      - Re: The following players have come through to the first team — chairleg, Sat Jun 9 14:07
        
        Thats quite impressive, more so than i would have thought. Its pushing it a bit to include Scott Davies and Martin Rowlands though!!! On that basis you could also include Simon Church....
      - I did mean to include Simon Church — Weltschmerz, Sun Jun 10 10:20
        
        He made 9 appearances (6 starts, 3 sub).
      - Good work! — Anonymous, Sat Jun 9 13:00
        
        So 8 who have played over 50 games in 15 years - and only 3 who have started more than 50. I think that highlights that the CoE was most beneficial from a financial point of view to produce talent to ... more
    - It takes years to develop a successful — Coleman603, Sat Jun 9 12:16
      
      youth system which needs time to attract the right coaches and time to develop the right culture. I think Wycombe had made huge strides in this area and with the appointment of Andy Ritchie last year ... more
    - - We can still sign young players — Anonymous, Sat Jun 9 22:32
        
        Just on professional deals..... All this guff about how distressed everyone is - you wouldnt know 75% of the youth team if they walked in front of you.
    - exactly — M3G, Sat Jun 9 11:46
      
      We won't be selling these young players anymore. The best always have been cherry picked from us. Now that we won't get financial payback seems little sense throwing money at it. Think about the... more
- Good sense post — M3G, Sat Jun 9 10:18
  
  As always Mr. Warboys. I have a feeling that a few clubs will follow our lead however unfortunate that it is. These things can only be sustained a much high level. We at last are starting to live in... more
- - It will galvanise the fans with the most realistic — tax dodge wherever you may be, Sat Jun 9 10:24
    
    and progressive outlook as to how a football club should be run, not necessarily those who pine for a sugar daddy to chase the dream/dragon with. The club has supporters from all walks of life with... more
  - - btw, good post Andy! (nm) — tax dodge wherever you may be, Sat Jun 9 10:26
- I do hope that when the position of — Tory Goon, Sat Jun 9 09:51
  
  Chairman comes up for election, Andy, that you will stand. These issues need to come before the FA Board etc and the only way is by being the elected league representative. Football as a business is... more
- - I do hope — The Chair, Sat Jun 9 13:50
    
    I was just about to post the same message. If the majority of bosses were like Andy Warboys the world would not be in such a mess!Neither would Wycombe Wanderers be in such a sorry state!
  - And this time, if you do.... — HP14, Sat Jun 9 10:26
    
    It will be a YES from me!!!
  - - Re: And this time, if you do.... — AylesburyWanderer, Sun Jun 10 06:20
      
      Sad news about the Centre of Excellence closing. As a fan there is nothing better than seeing a home grown player progress to the 1st team. With the introduction of the EPPP is it not now inevitable... more

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