The (Obvious) Trouble Is, Mr Anon. Is That This Is The ---
Wed Jun 13, 2012 08:33
---first of many sad (but very necessary) cuts to our expediture that simply will have to be made if we are to have any decent (or even any at all) long-term future.
We are just going to have to accept it, and get used to it.
Some of these cuts are probably going to hurt even more (when around £1million of expediture may have to be intially stripped-out) than the closure of the Centre of excellence.
This is the "price" we are going to have to pay for the ridiculous, profligate & down-right dangerous over-spending over the last 8 years or so. Coupled with the "ownership" decisions made over the same period of time. There is no such thing as "free money" from a so-called owner, benefactor or indeed anywhere else, you know.
To save the "patient", you sometimes have to make drastic surgery.
This is especially hard on those of us who warned & voted against the policies over that time.
But those who voted for/supported these policies really have nothing at all to moan about re what we look like we are about to go through in the short/medium term.
If action had been taken in the early part of the last decade to address these losses, we would not now be in the situation that has brought our club to it's knees. The longer you leave these things, the worse they get.
if every fan gave an extra £2 per home game it could help save the Centre of Excellence and the future of Wycombe Wanderers excellent emerging talent for years to come. 3000 HOME FANS X £2 x 23 HOME... more
Are the fans, supporters of the club or the first team? If they are supporters of the club then read on - The CofE is part of the club The CofE can be saved for next season, if only for one more... more
....but the past years of financial melt down brought upon by the poor steward ship of mr Hayes and his bare faced lies about the money he put in. I believe he had the Gaul to say it was his money... more
---know that many eligible voters, if arrive at that conclusion. Anyway, are you forgetting the July 2004 vote ? This was included in the timelines of my original post. Back then, we had approx... more
So you know everybody that voted do you? With this level of argument no wonder the standard of opposition to the constitutional changes was so poor. I do not claim to speak for everybody, just those... more
In fact the tone of the meetings in 04 and 09 was that if you voted against Hayes you wanted Wycombe Wanderers to play on the Rye. Many of us made sensible, impassioned arguments in favour of a... more
I agree that the tone from Hayes and the board was that if you voted against him you were a 'flat Earther'. That doesn't in itself say that 'yes' voters swallowed this line, more likely that they... more
If either vote had gone a different way. If there had been a no vote in 2004 maybe Hayes would have walked away and we would have had to cut our cloth a bit sooner. We may not have had the on field... more
for the 2009 vote, you missed out the most probable scenario. That was had the vote gone against Hayes taking ownership, the he would put the club into administration, as was spelled out by the Trust ... more
A noteable feature of the 'movement for change' in both 2004 and 2009 were the explicit threats that without change we were on the way to hell in a handcart. The main issue therefore was whether you... more
For what it is worth, I dont think a coherent alternative was presented for either vote. Much will depend onthe terms of the takeover now, but for what it is worth, my view remains that a reluctant... more
1) It lost £300k a year so would need an extra £5 per person for every game 2) With EPPP rules, the loss would increase as we wouldn't recover the costs in transfer fees. So maybe make it an extra... more
I might be wrong here as I don't know the figures for sure, but I was under the impression it "cost" £300k a year and not "lost" £300k a year (although I thought it was in fact £250k to run the... more
I tend to agree. Does the current Supporter`s Trust have the appetite or band width to support the CoE? Yes the club is in financial dire straits and 300k straight of the balance sheet helps. But,... more
are exactly that, difficult. I am sure nobody making the decision wanted to close the youth system. But with access to all the financial numbers, presumbably they concluded that they simply couldnt... more
been taken with the best intentions, should be thoroughly scrutinised, especially when reflecting back on the events of the last few years? Particularly in reference to the financial aspect. "Don't... more
but realistic scrutiny can only take place with all the relevant information. Which fans on the gasroom dont have. It is very easy without the relevant information to say, the youth system should not ... more
based on, say, half the other lower League clubs following suit. I don't know of any, let alone many, that are planning no Youth Development which will leave us looking singularly fifth rate. A team, ... more
Could you both outline for me, as briefly as you like, the ways in which you are helping the Trust at this difficult time? I'm confident that two experts like yourselves are using your talents for... more
I may be wrong here but do I detect a hint of irony in your comments? I was under the impression that this was a space for "lively debate" where one could offer an opinion about important or inane... more
I guess it's going to be too much for you to state how many players we're going to have to either sell or bring through to the first team ('generating' income by obviating the need to sign a player... more
A lively debate doesn't neccesarily exclude constructive ideas does it? I appreciate your unique view on the closer of the CofE, i understand that you feel this loss more than most. Perhaps though,... more
I'm not sure you read my original post but it was certainly not laced with sniping, unlike your eloquent response. I offered an opinion and simply said that I thought there could have been ways of... more
If the PL is happy for many academies to fail they lose their newly acquired 'satellites' for finding elite prospects. It is not in their interests for lots of Academies to close - so they won't. You ... more
No one invloled in the Trust thinks that youth development is not vitally important to the future of clubs our size. Equally, however, is the CofE costs around 300K to run, we'd have to be producing... more
Clearly losing our youth system, which it would appear was doing well, is a major disappointment I'm sure to all including those who had to make the decision. It would appear very likely that the... more
I certainly haven't accused anyone of being an idiot, and saw just how disappointed the players were when they were relegated, so I would never accuse them of not doing their best. The reality is... more
you and I dont have all the information to make a fully informed judgement. I think it is very unlikely there will be much more information in the brave new world about major decisions than there was ... more
Given that ticket prices are fixed for next season already how about the Trust look to get some volunteers together every home match to stand on the road up to the ground and in the car park and... more