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Don't you think every decision, even if it appears to have
Wed Jun 13, 2012 14:01
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been taken with the best intentions, should be thoroughly scrutinised, especially when reflecting back on the events of the last few years? Particularly in reference to the financial aspect.

"Don't worry about the money"

  • Centre of Excellence — Anonymous, Wed Jun 13 00:19
    if every fan gave an extra £2 per home game it could help save the Centre of Excellence and the future of Wycombe Wanderers excellent emerging talent for years to come. 3000 HOME FANS X £2 x 23 HOME... more
    • Why bother — HDQ, Thu Jun 14 13:27
      very little chance of any realistic ROI after the EPPP ruling, better looking to pick up those releasesd from bigger clubs CoE's.
    • Re: Centre of Excellence — Anonymous, Wed Jun 13 14:09
      Are the fans, supporters of the club or the first team? If they are supporters of the club then read on - The CofE is part of the club The CofE can be saved for next season, if only for one more... more
    • 3000 fans!!!??? — Anonymous, Wed Jun 13 09:50
      Consider that away fans, juniors, VIP guests, players, staff and neutrals will be part of that 3000.....
    • The (Obvious) Trouble Is, Mr Anon. Is That This Is The --- — Eddie Monsoon, Wed Jun 13 08:33
      ---first of many sad (but very necessary) cuts to our expediture that simply will have to be made if we are to have any decent (or even any at all) long-term future. We are just going to have to... more
      • Re: The (Obvious) Trouble Is, Mr Anon. Is That This Is The --- — Pam Sadarka, Wed Jun 13 09:39
        'But those who voted for/supported these policies really have nothing at all to moan about re what we look like we are about to go through in the short/medium term.' I think that is perfectly... more
        • With Respect, Mrs/Miss/Ms Sadarka, You Don't Appear To --- — Eddie Monsoon, Thu Jun 14 08:17
          ---know that many eligible voters, if arrive at that conclusion. Anyway, are you forgetting the July 2004 vote ? This was included in the timelines of my original post. Back then, we had approx... more
          • 'the vast majority voted willingly' — Pam Sadarka, Thu Jun 14 09:33
            So you know everybody that voted do you? With this level of argument no wonder the standard of opposition to the constitutional changes was so poor. I do not claim to speak for everybody, just those... more
        • No. Not all. Many, including some notable — Anonymous, Wed Jun 13 13:00
          supporters, thought Hayes was the best thing since sliced bread.
          • I can't speak for anybody else — Pam Sadarka, Wed Jun 13 13:17
            other than myself and those of my personal acquaintance. I don't know anybody on the Trust Board well enough to give you their own private feelings on the matter.
        • That won't wash — Anonymous, Wed Jun 13 09:51
          Is "I did it through gritted teeth" to be the standard excuse of those who voted yes in 2009? I know plenty who were only too happy to support Hayes. Including a few who are still on the Trust board!
          • Re: That won't wash — Pam Sadarka, Wed Jun 13 09:52
            All I can say is, I knew none.
            • I knew several — Floyd, Wed Jun 13 12:53
              In fact the tone of the meetings in 04 and 09 was that if you voted against Hayes you wanted Wycombe Wanderers to play on the Rye. Many of us made sensible, impassioned arguments in favour of a... more
              • Re: I knew several — Pam Sadarka, Wed Jun 13 13:12
                I agree that the tone from Hayes and the board was that if you voted against him you were a 'flat Earther'. That doesn't in itself say that 'yes' voters swallowed this line, more likely that they... more
                • Of course it's impossible to say what would have happened — Floyd, Wed Jun 13 13:32
                  If either vote had gone a different way. If there had been a no vote in 2004 maybe Hayes would have walked away and we would have had to cut our cloth a bit sooner. We may not have had the on field... more
                  • Mr Floyd - Whilst you made assumptions re two alternatives — Anonymous, Wed Jun 13 18:39
                    for the 2009 vote, you missed out the most probable scenario. That was had the vote gone against Hayes taking ownership, the he would put the club into administration, as was spelled out by the Trust ... more
                  • I don't entirely disagree — Pam Sadarka, Wed Jun 13 13:52
                    A noteable feature of the 'movement for change' in both 2004 and 2009 were the explicit threats that without change we were on the way to hell in a handcart. The main issue therefore was whether you... more
                    • I agree with your last para — Floyd, Wed Jun 13 14:45
                      Depending what you think suqare one might be, it's probably preferable to square 2012!
                  • If I may slip in to a private argument — DC, Wed Jun 13 13:44
                    For what it is worth, I dont think a coherent alternative was presented for either vote. Much will depend onthe terms of the takeover now, but for what it is worth, my view remains that a reluctant... more
                    • What would a potential new investor have to do — JSwwfc, Wed Jun 13 14:03
                      to convince you that his/her investment would represent a better alternative to trust ownership? Why would the result be any different from our first, failed, experiment with Steve Hayes?
                      • I would listen — DC, Wed Jun 13 15:30
                        to what the new investor was looking to do, and how much cash would be required in what format. I would seek to assess his background and history and connections with the club. I would then seek to... more
    • Re: Centre of Excellence — Anonymous, Wed Jun 13 07:36
      1) It lost £300k a year so would need an extra £5 per person for every game 2) With EPPP rules, the loss would increase as we wouldn't recover the costs in transfer fees. So maybe make it an extra... more
      • Re: Re: Centre of Excellence — Coleman603, Wed Jun 13 12:17
        I might be wrong here as I don't know the figures for sure, but I was under the impression it "cost" £300k a year and not "lost" £300k a year (although I thought it was in fact £250k to run the... more
        • Re: Re: Centre of Excellence — Nutty Boy, Wed Jun 13 13:38
          I tend to agree. Does the current Supporter`s Trust have the appetite or band width to support the CoE? Yes the club is in financial dire straits and 300k straight of the balance sheet helps. But,... more
          • Difficult decisions — DC, Wed Jun 13 13:50
            are exactly that, difficult. I am sure nobody making the decision wanted to close the youth system. But with access to all the financial numbers, presumbably they concluded that they simply couldnt... more
            • Don't you think every decision, even if it appears to have — JSwwfc, Wed Jun 13 14:01
              • Scrutiny is fine — DC, Wed Jun 13 14:54
                but realistic scrutiny can only take place with all the relevant information. Which fans on the gasroom dont have. It is very easy without the relevant information to say, the youth system should not ... more
        • Their approach seems to be — NH, Wed Jun 13 12:34
          based on, say, half the other lower League clubs following suit. I don't know of any, let alone many, that are planning no Youth Development which will leave us looking singularly fifth rate. A team, ... more
          • Interesting thoughts from the two of you — Floyd, Wed Jun 13 12:56
            Could you both outline for me, as briefly as you like, the ways in which you are helping the Trust at this difficult time? I'm confident that two experts like yourselves are using your talents for... more
            • Very good Mr Floyd — Coleman603, Wed Jun 13 13:38
              I may be wrong here but do I detect a hint of irony in your comments? I was under the impression that this was a space for "lively debate" where one could offer an opinion about important or inane... more
              • "I'm no expert on financial matters" — tax dodge wherever you may be, Sat Jun 16 10:59
                I guess it's going to be too much for you to state how many players we're going to have to either sell or bring through to the first team ('generating' income by obviating the need to sign a player... more
              • And you're accusing ME of irony — Floyd, Wed Jun 13 14:49
                A lively debate doesn't neccesarily exclude constructive ideas does it? I appreciate your unique view on the closer of the CofE, i understand that you feel this loss more than most. Perhaps though,... more
            • You can rest assured — NH, Wed Jun 13 13:19
              that things stated in the Gasroom have been stated elsewhere - to the same nil effect.
              • Glad to hear it — Floyd, Wed Jun 13 13:34
                Although, since the EPPP will work great for Premier League clubs, and it's clear that the Football League clubs aren't brave enough to stand up to them, i don't think your point changes anything.
                • Then think some more — NH, Wed Jun 13 14:04
                  If the PL is happy for many academies to fail they lose their newly acquired 'satellites' for finding elite prospects. It is not in their interests for lots of Academies to close - so they won't. You ... more
                  • This a perfect storm of — tax dodge wherever you may be, Sat Jun 16 10:31
                    the whirlwind being reaped by those who voted yes in 2004 and 2009 and the introduction of EPPP. Blaming those who were steadfastly against those developments is quite frankly lunacy.
                  • Perhaps more Wycombe fans should have 'thought — Tory Goon, Wed Jun 13 18:49
                    harder' in 2004 & 2009?
                    • Exactly, Mr Goon — Eddie Monsoon, Thu Jun 14 07:53
                      Although you do think that thought to many of them is a step too far. Smoke might start coming out of their ears.
                  • The message is pretty obviousi would have thought — Floyd, Wed Jun 13 14:54
                    No one invloled in the Trust thinks that youth development is not vitally important to the future of clubs our size. Equally, however, is the CofE costs around 300K to run, we'd have to be producing... more
          • very very easy to critisise from afar — dc, Wed Jun 13 12:52
            Clearly losing our youth system, which it would appear was doing well, is a major disappointment I'm sure to all including those who had to make the decision. It would appear very likely that the... more
            • Re: very very easy to criticise from afar — Coleman603, Wed Jun 13 14:30
              I certainly haven't accused anyone of being an idiot, and saw just how disappointed the players were when they were relegated, so I would never accuse them of not doing their best. The reality is... more
              • Because — DC, Wed Jun 13 15:01
                you and I dont have all the information to make a fully informed judgement. I think it is very unlikely there will be much more information in the brave new world about major decisions than there was ... more
      • Re: Centre of Excellence — Big Dave, Wed Jun 13 08:59
        Given that ticket prices are fixed for next season already how about the Trust look to get some volunteers together every home match to stand on the road up to the ground and in the car park and... more
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