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Terry Trial — DC, Mon Jul 9 12:58

I know this will be controversial, so apologies in advance, and I have to say that Mr terry strikes me as a pretty odious individual, but is this really an incident of sufficient seriousness that... more
- FAO gasroomers do not bother to read any of the posts below — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 21:44
- - Re: FAO gasroomers do not bother to read any of the posts below — Anonymous, Tue Jul 10 12:05
    
    I disagree, just because you don't think other peoples views are not worthy of being read doesn't mean that we should not read them. Whether we agree or disagree with what is said they have a right... more
  - Re: FAO gasroomers do not bother to read any of the posts below — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 21:48
    
    Well said sir!
  - - Congratulating yourself? (nm) — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 23:08
- for me the key bit is that Ferdinand didn't even hear what — blue frog, Mon Jul 9 19:07
  
  what was (allegedly) said at the time. He only took the legal case after he was shown a video afterwards which showed what Terry had said. I'm not trying to defend racism, but what a waste of... more
- - So things said and you didn't hear, don't matter? (nm) — Saxo, Mon Jul 9 23:07
  - Yes, but he's milking it now isn't he. — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 19:12
    
    They've even wheeled out Doreen Lawrence now.
  - - It's alright, you're an apologist - we get it (nm) — JSwwfc, Mon Jul 9 20:15
    - You're an unpleasant person (nm) — Chris, Mon Jul 9 20:00
    - - Is that all you are able to come back with? (nm) — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 22:43
- Agree — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 18:09
  
  With your opinion overall, calling a black person black is NOT racist. If Anton has taken offense, he should address the issues he has with not being proud of who he is and his heritage.
- - It can be — Bilversack, Mon Jul 9 20:03
    
    you cannot make the 'calling a black person back is not racist' statement without qualifying it. Calling a black person 'black', unless you specifically need to refer to their colour, is racist.
  - But... — The Dnacing Yak, Mon Jul 9 18:34
    
    ...Calling a black person a black bast**d is racist because you are implying that because he is black that is worse that being "just" a bast**d. If you think someone is a bastard, there is no need to ... more
  - - Re: But... — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 18:39
      
      What if I called him a black legend... Have I cancelled out the praise because the black bit is a negative?
    - - Why raise the question of his colour? — The Dancing Yak, Mon Jul 9 18:41
        
        If he is a legend, he is a legend. Colour does not matter.
      - Re: Why raise the question of his colour? — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 18:44
        
        I often here players of old, musicians etc refered to as black legends, who is adding the black bit and why is it not racist?
        Please give an example — Bilversack, Mon Jul 9 20:08
        
        I would suggest that, as I said earlier, unless there was a specific need to refer to someone's colour (for example if there were to players on the same team of the same name and one was black and... more
        Re: Why raise the question of his colour? — The Dancing Yak, Mon Jul 9 18:51
        
        I rather suspect it has more to do with the word Bast**d is a negative, adding an additional adjective which highlights the colour of someone's skin or race to emphasise that negative would be the... more
        Black is descriptive of his skin colour, being a c*nt is — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 19:11
        
        describing his persona according to the opinion of the person saying it, the two aren't entwined, both terms are descriptive but in their own right.
        Re: Why raise the question of his colour? — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 18:57
        
        Ok mate lets just agree to disagree.
        Thicky's gone quiet now (nm) — Bilversack, Mon Jul 9 20:09
  - That's not what happened though is it? (nm) — the nixon tapes, Mon Jul 9 18:15
  - - Re: That's not what happened though is it? — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 18:20
      
      Enlighten me then, ok the c word was thrown in there, so what? That part is an opinion. I am just sick to death that black people seem to be wrapped up in cotton wool and to some extent patronised by ... more
    - - IF someone was called white c*** — Bilversack, Mon Jul 9 20:04
        
        then I would expect the very same treatment to be taken, not skipped over. My colour is irrelevant to me, and so it should be to you. I think you are scum.
      - Re: IF someone was called white c*** — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 20:21
        
        You would expect it, i would expect it, point is we know it wouldnt be reacted to or dealt with in the same way. My colour, nationality etc is largely irrelevant to me, but if someone wants to mix it ... more
        I am sorry — Bilversack, Mon Jul 9 20:25
        
        are you 'proud to be white' as you said in your previous post, or is it largely irrelevant to you, as you said in this post? You sound a tad mixed up.
        Re: I am sorry — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 20:28
        
        Er no, as i said, on the whole these things are irrelevant... However, if someone choses to bring them up, indult or not, they are things I am proud of. Where did YOU get mixed up with that?
        Why are you proud to be white? (nm) — Bilversack, Mon Jul 9 20:32
        
        Re: Why are you proud to be white? — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 20:38
        
        Because its who i am?? Same as i have welsh and irish ancestry, all of these make me who I am? Not sure what kind of answer your were expecting there.
        because it's who you are? — Bilversack, Mon Jul 9 20:51
        
        Saying 'because it's who I am' isn't an answer, it's an excuse to make the statement you did. Having Welsh or Irish ancestry groups you with people from the same country and feeling an allegiance to... more
        Re: because it's who you are? — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 21:00
        
        It is a perfectly acceptable answer becasue it is that simple to me, you seem to looking for an answer more specific to your agenda? I am not sure what this is. So having welsh / irish ancestory to... more
        Re: because it's who you are? — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 21:29
        
        Cant wait around for your reply fella. Point is, a black person should be just as proud (and uninsulted) by their heritage as i am about mine. Re-reading your line of questioning, you seem to think... more
        Heritage is nothing to do with colour — Bilversack, Mon Jul 9 22:06
        
        Just like a person of any colour can and should be proud of where they are from. But you say you are proud because of the colour of your skin. And you still haven't answered the question of why this... more
        Why have Black history month then? — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 22:53
        
        Why have the MOBO? Why have the Black Police Officer's association, looking forward to your answers.
        Re: Heritage is nothing to do with colour — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 22:15
        
        Lol ive answered the question several times. I am proud of who i am, skin colour, height, hair colour, heritage, shoe size... any of these genetic attributes added to an insult do not add weight to... more
        ha ha proud of your hair colour — Bilversack, Mon Jul 9 22:23
        
        scraping the barrel now. Keep digging.
        Re: ha ha proud of your hair colour — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 22:35
        
        Haha your ability to completely miss key points throughout a whole conversation is amazing :) I'm sure you think you are clever, I'm affraid focusing on silly little points and using cliché's like... more
- Racial abuse is not a minor incident — the nixon tapes, Mon Jul 9 15:06
  
  ...and needs to be dealt with accordingly. i'm not trying to be politically correct by saying this but racial abuse is a crime. there are no excuses and no justification
- - re Racial abuse is not a minor incident — Bourne70, Mon Jul 9 18:16
    
    "FAT BASTARD","SKINNY CU.T","GINGER TOSSER","WELSH PRI.K"."JOCK WANK.R" People use these sort of terms frequently when in a high octane argument without actually being truly prejudiced against any of ... more
  - - Please provide an example of this damage (nm) — Chris, Mon Jul 9 20:35
    - The issue is not whether he is racist or not — Bilversack, Mon Jul 9 20:05
      
      the issue is whether is made a racist comment.
  - If Ferdinand abused him... — SWS, Mon Jul 9 17:24
    
    ...whether racially or not he should be dealt with just as harshly. The intention of both was to offend and provoke. One cannot say that something racist would not cause just as much offense as say,... more
  - - Re: If Ferdinand abused him... — Dr Robert, Mon Jul 9 18:03
      
      That's not the point. The point of this trial is not because Ferdinand took offence to Terry's abuse. It is because it was racist (if he did say it). That should be taken more seriously than slagging ... more
    - - Abuse is abuse. — SWS, Mon Jul 9 19:12
        
        I don't agree that one should be taken more seriously than an other, why should someone have to tolerate, for example, being told that they want to shag one of their sisters/mums or abuse someone for ... more
      - Re: Abuse is abuse. — Dr Robert, Tue Jul 10 00:39
        
        because no-ones ever been enslaved or killed because they were ginger
    - Correct, both should be on a charge of breach of the peace (nm) — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 17:57
  - I've been called a white bastard, in Wycombe, big deal. (nm) — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 16:20
  - - Try being oppressed of hundreds of years... — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 18:53
      
      ....solely due to the colour of your skin, and you might have something to cry about.
    - - You show me someone who's hundreds of years old — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 19:09
        
        then I will, otherwise, please feel free to provide everybody wih examples who what it is you're alluding to. There are oppressed people the world over and of different colours; I know what you're... more
      - Martin Luther King was assassinated in 1968 — Chris, Mon Jul 9 20:07
        
        I think you will be able to find many people who were alive then. Ask any black person you know if they have ever been racially abused, and I bet I know what the answer will be. Ask them how they... more
        Re: Martin Luther King was assassinated in 1968 — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 22:41
        
        Most people have been abused in their lifetime, whether it be racial or otherwise. Some make an issue out of it, others don't. With you believing that that hate or abuse is a monopoly just because of ... more
    - The white part is incidental. — Dr Congo, Mon Jul 9 17:12
      
      The rest is probably accurate.
    - - Exactly the same for Mr Ferdinand, I rest my case. (nm) — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 17:56
  - it's a sorry state of affairs when this needs to be pointed — eric plant, Mon Jul 9 15:11
    
    out to people isn't it?
  - - Indeed, although I can't help but think that — JSwwfc, Mon Jul 9 16:16
      
      the original motive of DC for posting was to be provocative, and stir up. Not like we haven't seen that before.
    - Yes - here is the background info for them — the nixon tapes, Mon Jul 9 15:13
      
      http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/prosecution/rrpbcrpol.html#a04
- I really don't get the maximum sentence beig a £2.5k fine... — The Dancing Yak, Mon Jul 9 14:44
  
  ....if he is found guilty. That will be a drop in the ocean to an international player or his level, it really would be no punishment at all to him if he is found guilty. I would hope the FA would... more
- - if guilty he'll get the same ban as Suarez at least — Tase, Mon Jul 9 15:47
    
    that precedent has been set now. There were a couple of lower league players who got the same ban too. In terms of fines though, i think it's a slippery slope setting fines based on what people earn. ... more
  - - If they insist in penalising someone financially..... — The Dancing Yak, Mon Jul 9 16:06
      
      ...i.e. a fine, then I see nothing wrong in taking someone's personal finances into account to ensure there is actually a penalty levied on them.
    - - so if they earn say £50k a week — Tase, Mon Jul 9 19:10
        
        and get done for speeding, should they be fined £10k for instance? Should they have to pay extra for food and services? Where do you draw the line?
      - Its not a new Concept — The Dancing Yak, Mon Jul 9 20:50
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1302161/Swedish-driver-gets-worlds-largest-speeding-fine-180mph-chase.html The point is, if someone working at Asda on 16 hours a week at minimum wage gets hit ... more
- What would be wrong... — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 13:27
  
  ...would be your message that a little bit of racism is okay.
- - Not sure I can express this as — DC, Mon Jul 9 14:12
    
    eloquently as it needs. For me this particularly issue has been taken over by media hype and has lost its grip on reality. being discriminated against on the basis of colour is horrbile and must be... more
  - - so you don't think this should have gone to court? (nm) — eric plant, Mon Jul 9 14:35
    - - I think not no — DC, Mon Jul 9 15:06
        
        I rather agree with Dancing Yak second paragraph below. It dont believe court cases should happen as an example to others or because the case or defendant is high profile. All should be treated... more
      - it was treated equally under the law — eric plant, Mon Jul 9 15:10
        
        it was referred to the CPS and they thought there was a case to answer your point about "relatively minor" is a ridiculous one. Car theft is "relatively minor" compared to murder. And anyone for whom ... more
        Was it though — DC, Mon Jul 9 15:41
        
        or as dancing yak suggests, were the CPS influenced by the media circus and potential bad publicity that would prevail if they took the decision not to prosecute. Sorry dont believe CPS would not... more
        the CPS follow very clear guidelines and procedures — eric plant, Mon Jul 9 16:00
        
        your point is based entirely on assumption with nothing to back it up I question your motives in briging this up in the first place. For someone whose point is that this shouldn't have been given so... more
        Sorry dont agree — DC, Mon Jul 9 16:34
        
        to claim that CPS is not influenced by politics and publicity is errant nonsense. My purpose in bringing this up on an relatively little used message board is to test my thought process. I fear this... more
        Correct (nm) — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 17:58
        
        "I withdraw" — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 17:20
        
        Managed to wind a good few up eh? Mission accomplished
        It's not difficult winding up some of these lunatics (nm) — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 17:59
        
        You know NOTHING of the CPS then (nm) — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 16:21
      - Given the nature and high profile stature of the case..... — The Dancing Yak, Mon Jul 9 14:53
        
        ...it would be better for it to have been moved to a court that can level a higher sentence, upto and including a custodial sentance, than a maximum £2.5k fine if he has been found guilty. At the... more
  - Why was it racist, I would have thought his being black was — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 13:47
    
    a matter of fact
  - - ffs (nm) — the nixon tapes, Mon Jul 9 14:49
    - - Is that all you've got to say? (nm) — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 16:22
    - Unbelievable, Mr Anon (nm) — Eddie Monsoon, Mon Jul 9 14:34
- The comment that stood out for me was Anton Ferdinand saying — JcL, Mon Jul 9 13:25
  
  "I am a winner". Really????
- No — Comanche, Mon Jul 9 13:24
  
  Any form of racism on the pitch needs to be punished regardless of how serious it is. These players get paid enough to control themselves and act as role models. It is laughable how the maximum he... more
- - Perhaps there needs to be a sense of perspective rather than — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 13:53
    
    every bustup being taken to Court as a race matter. The idea that a Black player can insult his team member, then squeal race discrimination when the player retaliates is taking a petty argument to a ... more
  - - Do you have any evidence for this bizarre claim? — Chris, Mon Jul 9 20:19
      
      Because there is plenty of evidence for the continued discrimination against ethnic minorities. For example - in employment http://www.edf.org.uk/blog/?p=16576 in the criminal justice system... more
    - you pathetic little weasel — Bilversack, Mon Jul 9 19:56
      
      can see why you are calling yourself Anonymous.
    - Unbelievable, Mr Anon (nm) — Eddie Monsoon, Mon Jul 9 14:36
    - - Frow up sunshine (nm) — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 16:22
    - "The so called oppressed" — Washington, Mon Jul 9 14:12
      
      Yeah, ethnic minorities have never really been oppressed, it's just all in their heads. right? DOFL...
    - - What's your point? (nm) — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 14:36
      - Re: What's your point? — Washington, Mon Jul 9 18:47
        
        That the "so called" part of your post makes you seem, at best, incredibly misinformed.
        Please feel free to elaborate, we can discuss it further. (nm) — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 19:14
  - 2 hours and 38 minutes work apparently for Terry! (nm) — JcL, Mon Jul 9 13:27
  - - Pious Platitudes — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 18:08
      
      This thread seems to be split between people asking questions about the legal system and others shouting them down because by asking questions there is an implication they must be racist. I wonder... more
    - - you're a WUM, surely??!! — Bilversack, Mon Jul 9 20:13
        
        Do you work? If you were found guilty of being racist in the work place do you think your employer should sack you or not?
      - "to your mind" — eric plant, Mon Jul 9 19:30
        
        not, I would suggest, the most testing criteria ever come up with

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